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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 19:24 #91

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
If DDFT pull is so important, how do you explain a sinker? No rotation at all.......

Like I said, you're welcome to an opinion but is doesn't mean anything without the why.


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As far as I understand it, a sinker is due to laminar damage all the around. Thus the bone losing contact everywhere as opposed to the more common dorsal area. So in that case DFT tension wouldn't matter. But to me it's the lowering of the heels in an attempt to derotate that creates the need for rails to relieve that sudden tension created in the DFT.

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What i'm saying is after 30 years i cant be sure you are right. Do you take this attitude to work with you?
It may be your internet persona but i think that i would struggle to train you.

Yes I'm a bit aggravated at the moment, and have reacted a bit. In person I get along with nearly everyone. I've politely asked why he chose what he chose for the Laminitic horse at the city, and I've asked why not on the other methods. I accepted his answers and didn't argue with him even though I disagree with him.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 19:26 #92

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Kim I don't think anyone don't want you to voice ur thoughts but to yet have you told us the why....you said they why of it takes the pull off ddft.... so with that we are only left to think the reason you don't like the other way is because it don't....that's not good enough in this trade ....you need to look at why it does work ...the devil is in the details...even though u don't like the method still tell us why it does work..................... I got a call from a vet to glue on some special made 350 cuffs on the sole purpose to take the pull off the ddft.....the farrier had refused to do the work...it was a draft account that was all trims and a 800 one day stop.....the refuse came from he did not like the methode....I don't what was asked by the vet ...client fired farrier or farrier fired client ...eathier way its a good client .........the method failed we now do what the farrier wanted to.....but not haveing a open mind lost a 5week account that paid about 800 for 6 hours of work...[PHP][/PHP]
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 19:37 #93

I think "Hernando" was just pulling our leg. I hope he was. Wasn't he. :eek:

Kim, I like your enthusiasm and attitude, as I'm sure others do. Try to remember to reread your first 200 posts in about 2016. I'm sure you'll get a charge out of them. :D

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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 19:37 #94

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Travis I have a very open mind. In fact for sinkers, Chapman's heartbar approach makes sense because it supports the fallen bone.

If the only problem has been that I've not expanded on the opinion, then I apologize for that and for being sensitive to this.

What I had bought while in school for my own horse, who I had initially thought was a chronic founder, was the aluminum 4 point rail shoes with the frog support pad and Equipack material. Turns out it's something else going on and I'll need Rads to go further.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 19:45 #95

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MPLdyCop wrote:
Travis I have a very open mind. In fact for sinkers, Chapman's heartbar approach makes sense because it supports the fallen bone.

If the only problem has been that I've not expanded on the opinion, then I apologize for that and for being sensitive to this.

What I had bought while in school for my own horse, who I had initially thought was a chronic founder, was the aluminum 4 point rail shoes with the frog support pad and Equipack material. Turns out it's something else going on and I'll need Rads to go further.

Lol...or maybe its the other method.... don't take it hard they truly are giving you pearls just grab them and store them up...after all its free as well..... don't ever lock urself into one camp because you will find urself lacking in a well rounded farrier.....be likw the willow tree and go with the flow be able to bend and last the storm not like the oak that is firm and strong and will brk when things get tuff and ruff....
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 21:01 #96

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MPLdyCop wrote:
. But to me it's the lowering of the heels in an attempt to derotate that creates the need for rails to relieve that sudden tension created in the DFT.

Is lowering the heels derotation, realignment of the axis, or giving support to the bony column via natural structures?
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 22:18 #97

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Clint Burrell wrote:
Is lowering the heels derotation, realignment of the axis, or giving support to the bony column via natural structures?


Or simply just adding to DDFT strain? ;):p:D
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 30 May 2011 22:39 #98

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Clint Burrell wrote:
Is lowering the heels derotation, realignment of the axis, or giving support to the bony column via natural structures?

Derotation is realignment of the digits and normal axis. I kinda want to say yes on the third option as well. I think lowering the heels puts the frog back into a weight bearing function again. (among it's other functions)

So I suppose I'd say lowering the heels can be all three.

Joey Aczon wrote:
Or simply just adding to DDFT strain? ;):p:D

Tis why I like the idea of wedging the heel after that.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 02:10 #99

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MPLdyCop wrote:
Derotation is realignment of the digits and normal axis. I kinda want to say yes on the third option as well. I think lowering the heels puts the frog back into a weight bearing function again. (among it's other functions)

So I suppose I'd say lowering the heels can be all three.



Tis why I like the idea of wedging the heel after that.

So then why after "realignment of the digits" would you wedge the foot? Wouldn't that just break the foot forward?

Think about it, don't answer, you've done yourself enough damage on here. Don't forget, a lot of your clients will google your name and this site will most likely pop up.

In 4-5 years you will happen across one of these threads and feel really embarrassed. A lot of us do it, some of us get shamed into deleting our account over it. :rolleyes:
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 02:27 #100

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I thought I already answered you when you stated about adding DFT strain and I stated that's why I like wedging..... it reduces the strain.

Oh and I don't feel I've damaged myself by being brave enough to post thoughts and learn from doing so.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 02:29 #101

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MPLdyCop wrote:
I thought I already answered you when you stated about adding DFT strain and I stated that's why I like wedging..... it reduces the strain.

Oh and I don't feel I've damaged myself by being brave enough to post thoughts and learn from doing so.

It went right over your head didn't it?
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 02:35 #102

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Joey Aczon wrote:
It went right over your head didn't it?

I don't think so. No fear.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 03:13 #103

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MPLdyCop wrote:
I thought I already answered you when you stated about adding DFT strain and I stated that's why I like wedging..... it reduces the strain.

And sometimes it just pushes the tip of the coffin bone straight into the ground. Some horses do well with a heart bar even though the axis isn't quite right right. Some do well w/ a wedge and some do well with....... Some never do well w/anything you throw at them. Experience and educated guesses will serve you well, if you stick w/ it. I can't tell you much more as I just do the best I can w/ what is presented to me. I can tell you though that if it's worth alot of $, then it's most likely gona be a b!tch to fix. Pasture plugs seem to be more resilient.....or maybe just less used.:confused:;)
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 11:56 #104

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MPLdyCop wrote:
. . . I like Redden's approach because of the BO, and relief on the DFT.
Funny, that is precisely why I like Chapman's approach.




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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 12:16 #105

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MPLdyCop wrote:
Tis why I like the idea of wedging the heel after that.
Wedging decreases DFT strain amplitude while increasing DFT strain period duration. There is no free lunch. :)
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