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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 00:14 #31

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He has something personal going on right now to where he has cut back his work. I didn't ask why or when he'll pick it back up. He is still available for me to call and get advice. He supports me going out and picking up clients, or at least acts that way as he compliments the pictures and the like.

I never got an answer on the other farrier in this area that might want to mentor a newbie right now.

On a funny note, the local farrier in the area covered all my cards with his. I found this the other day and chuckled. Last I talked to him, he seemed really nice and asking questions on my schooling and all. He's never went to school and said someone just showed him the basics. I don't know his work so I can't comment much. So for him to cover my cards was funny to me.

...you will find in this business that all who smile in ur face is not always ur friend..you will also find that a lot of the so called rules will only apply to you..you may get a client that was using another farrier and one day get ur hinny chewed out for not calling the farrier and asking what happen...but u will never get a call..find a couple of good folks and repect there space and help each other out and don't worry about much else but keeping ur head below ur azz..if ya try to play by everyones rules u will starve to death
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 01:55 #32

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MPLdyCop wrote:
I politely disagree with this.
Thanks but you don't need to be polite. ;)
I've done a lot research on this and is enough to form my own opinion and state such.
So you've done some research, so what? Truth is that you are still a wet behind the ears newbie who doesn't have enough field experience to even begin to form an opinion on how to treat laminitis let alone, founder. I commend your thirst and quest for knowledge and someday it will stand you in good stead. But harsh as it sounds, right now, these pathologies are above your pay grade as a farrier.
And debating it gives rise to new ideas and may be something I'd like to incorporate one day.
True. That said, IMO, you are buckets of sweat and many callouses away from that day.

It will be interesting to watch your progress over the next five years. Especially since statistically, most folks wash out of the profession before they reach the five year mark.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 02:10 #33

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has it occured to anyone that the farrier may have done just as the vet wanted? Did the vet dictate the amount of toe to come off? Did the vet say to float the toe to prevent leverage on the dorsal wall? Did the vet say to keep the horse in the same shoeing package? Did the owner then dislike what they saw and blame the farrier?? :rolleyes:
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 02:11 #34

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Doing my research, studying, and trying my best to improve and succeed. Hopefully you'll see that I'm not just throwing myself out there as super educated, and I state my opinions to be debated and thus learn more. :)
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 03:14 #35

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MPLdyCop wrote:
Doing my research, studying, and trying my best to improve and succeed. Hopefully you'll see that I'm not just throwing myself out there as super educated, and I state my opinions to be debated and thus learn more. :)

The best place to debate is with axx in the seat next to a farrier that just when you think u may have something figured out he will put you under a horse to test ur theory...when the horse limps off he then can start the explaining of what works for that horse will not cut the mustard on this one...or when you get real comfy shoeing trail rides you finally pick up a farm of horses that have to earn they keep and the trainers are grinding them in the dirt and you feel like you have started all over....just about the time you think you may have learned a little something you will have one leave you scratching ur head...
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 03:55 #36

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MPLdyCop wrote:
I would love to see some lateral shots, if that is possible.

My opinion is that the break over is not a problem when shod like this because with the gap there is no "stretching of the laminae" when the horse is breaking over. My concern would be more of how the derotation attempts have not succeeded. Heels brought back far enough, etc.

However leaving the BO so far forward does increase tension on the DFT so could actually perpetuate rotation, either way it certainly will not ease tension on the dft.
Originally Posted by Rick Burten

I don't know that the shoe is too big. That said. I would have started a rocker toe right at the point where the hoof is trimmed/rockered up out of the way. Wouldn't have to be a huge rocker that was in contact with the wall, but just enough so that the beginning of the rockering would be the last point in ground contact at the lift-off/breakover phase of stance/stride.

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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 04:18 #37

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A little update.. Mare is worse today 3 out of 5 lame and shifting. I took new pictures today and will post soon.. sent them to the vet and he wasn't thrilled about the lack of break over. Owner had a MELTDOWN because she's paying $200 a month to fix a horse whose only getting worse and is close to putting down her horse. :/
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 04:24 #38

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Have you put her back in the boots?

Until you have a better handle on what is going on and why, the owner needs to take a chill pill.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 04:36 #39

Rolltoptx wrote:
A little update.. Mare is worse today 3 out of 5 lame and shifting. I took new pictures today and will post soon.. sent them to the vet and he wasn't thrilled about the lack of break over. Owner had a MELTDOWN because she's paying $200 a month to fix a horse whose only getting worse and is close to putting down her horse. :/

Agreed put the horse down. Then she at least saves the $200 a month.

My gut feeling is that the horse is not breaking over in the terms of what you think. Most the time the horse is standing. You don't break over when standing. I bet that it is not breaking over in the true since of the word anyway.

Of course the vets not thrilled you guys just opened up the door to take any responsibility off his shoulders and kick it all onto the farrier. I wish you would give me the farriers phone number so I can give them a heads up on this whole situation. Most vets will throw a farrier under the bus to save there own skin.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 04:39 #40

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The owner might get better value if she pays the vet and farrier to meet with her (with you present if she wishes) so that there is nothing lost in the translation. Personally, I like to talk directly to a vet if a client comes back to me with instructions a vet has relayed to them. Far too often the conversation loses vital details.

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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 05:24 #41

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Agreed put the horse down. Then she at least saves the $200 a month.

My gut feeling is that the horse is not breaking over in the terms of what you think. Most the time the horse is standing. You don't break over when standing. I bet that it is not breaking over in the true since of the word anyway.

Of course the vets not thrilled you guys just opened up the door to take any responsibility off his shoulders and kick it all onto the farrier. I wish you would give me the farriers phone number so I can give them a heads up on this whole situation. Most vets will throw a farrier under the bus to save there own skin.

I like the way you think...some how I think we all knew what any updates would be...and you could not have said it better about what a great way to kick it all onto the farrier...and just like ya said all this over brk over ..how much could this horse be brkin over.....I wonder ..oh just how one could wonder if maybe all the toe was holding something together but now he was told to cut it off....
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 05:32 #42

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She immediately went back into boots after she was shod because she was more comfortable. She is turned out with a good grazing muzzle during the day, in a night with lots of hay. She's been on a low starch feed with cimetidine (which has been the biggest helper so far.. very impressive results and is almost crippled with out it).

The vet actually recommended the farrier who is known in our area for corrective work but is also known for his ego. He personally called and emailed the farrier xrays and recommendations so they are collaborating..
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 06:10 #43

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So the horse is eating day and night and gets other feed to ??
Have you had the lots of hay tested ,that triggers at least every second metabolic case off here just to the end of the winter ,into spring ....funny that the BEST hay is always the last to be fed ,as ist the first to land in the storage ,the older seedless hay is the first to go over the winter ...
Just s thought ....
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 06:35 #44

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This mare (15.1 appendix approx 800lbs, ulcer prone, metabolic disorder) was getting 2 lbs of wellsolve low starch feed in the morning and evening.. grazing muzzle on during the day, about 15 lbs of second cutting coastal hay in the evening. She also receives cimetidine twice daily. She eats incredibly slow (teeth are fine) and the mare has a rather slender frame with significant fat deposits on the neck and above her tail. She has trouble consuming large quantities of hay which is why she was receiving 4 lbs of a low starch feed daily. We switched her to 20 lbs of hay anyway with .5 lbs of enrich12 twice a day with her meds..
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 29 May 2011 07:21 #45

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Alicia Thompson wrote:
However leaving the BO so far forward does increase tension on the DFT so could actually perpetuate rotation, either way it certainly will not ease tension on the dft.

Yeah your right about that.
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