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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 17:40 #121

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Speaking of Dave Duckett he is comming
over to our college in June
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 17:48 #122

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Travis I have a very open mind. In fact for sinkers, Chapman's heartbar approach makes sense because it supports the fallen bone.


Does it also make sense when you realize that it's is not the coffin bone that comes down, but rather the hoofcapsule that comes up in a case of severe sinking? Especially when you think about the fact that the coronet narrows when a foot is loaded, turning the hoofcapsule into one great tourniquet in such situations? Or might more invasive actions be called for when sinking happens, like grooving? And if so, when do you think you need to start -if at all- your grooving excercise? Dorsally, or all around the foot? Or would perhaps a dorsal hoofwall resection be enough? Remember, there is no going back once you made your choice.


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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 17:54 #123

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smitty88 wrote:
Speaking of Dave Duckett he is comming
over to our college in June
No doubt he'll have a pint or two with his ol' pal Smitty. :D
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 17:57 #124

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Remember, there is no going back once you made your choice.


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Now THAT IS quantum physics. ;)
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 17:58 #125

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tbloomer wrote:
No doubt he'll have a pint or two with his ol' pal Smitty. :D

Would sooner watch him under a horse and do some stuff in the fire;)
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 31 May 2011 19:21 #126

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Does it also make sense when you realize that it's is not the coffin bone that comes down, but rather the hoofcapsule that comes up in a case of severe sinking? Especially when you think about the fact that the coronet narrows when a foot is loaded, turning the hoofcapsule into one great tourniquet in such situations? Or might more invasive actions be called for when sinking happens, like grooving? And if so, when do you think you need to start -if at all- your grooving excercise? Dorsally, or all around the foot? Or would perhaps a dorsal hoofwall resection be enough? Remember, there is no going back once you made your choice.

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That statement makes even more sense as to why Chapman raises the bar slightly above the level of the shoe. As far a grooving goes, I'm not that familar. I thought the only time you resected a wall was if there was extensive laminar damage and abscesses forming.

Can you show an example of the grooving? :)
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 01:08 #127

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MPLdyCop wrote:
That statement makes even more sense as to why Chapman raises the bar slightly above the level of the shoe. As far a grooving goes, I'm not that familar. I thought the only time you resected a wall was if there was extensive laminar damage and abscesses forming.

Can you show an example of the grooving? :)

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There is a WHOLE lot more to fitting heart bars than slightly raising the bar. Heart bars are an "it depends" orthic.

You need to have a sit down with some folks who nail on heart bars and work on laminitics on a frequent basis, to get a firm grasp on support of the boney column.

Until you get hands on some cripples with a good hand showing you some ways of the Ninja, all your going to do is be a danger.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 01:38 #128

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J.H. shoeing wrote:
Baby Sister
There is a WHOLE lot more to fitting heart bars than slightly raising the bar. Heart bars are an "it depends" orthic.

You need to have a sit down with some folks who nail on heart bars and work on laminitics on a frequent basis, to get a firm grasp on support of the boney column.

Until you get hands on some cripples with a good hand showing you some ways of the Ninja, all your going to do is be a danger.

Did I ever show you my Ninja card? Oh well, In any case, we aren't very reputable for fixing cripples, not unless it involves teriyaki. :D
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 01:48 #129

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Tom and Rick,

Thanks for the explanation. Really good info to chew on.

Regards

I agree...some times I think some of these guys may have been better used launching the space rocket or somethings of the such...my gess is they prob did at one time abd got tired of working for the man and the rat race
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 02:22 #130

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J.H. shoeing wrote:
Baby Sister
There is a WHOLE lot more to fitting heart bars than slightly raising the bar. Heart bars are an "it depends" orthic.

You need to have a sit down with some folks who nail on heart bars and work on laminitics on a frequent basis, to get a firm grasp on support of the boney column.

Until you get hands on some cripples with a good hand showing you some ways of the Ninja, all your going to do is be a danger.

Yeah I don't see that happening real soon. :(

I'm finding less help here on the outside than I'd thought I was gonna get. I'm putting myself out here in this forum to learn as best I can. Y'all will tell it like it is, critic my work, and be the best substitute for a mentor til I can get another or the one I had irons out whatever is going on.

I am begging for help, not acting like a know it all. I ask questions to learn not argue.

I'd drive for a weekend or some weekdays to ride with someone close that cared enough or had the time to mentor now.

And yes it's frustration in my tone as I say all this because sometimes I feel stuck.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 03:45 #131

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Kim, be patient..it takes seeing and working on lots and lots of feet before any of us really feel like we are comfortable making a call ourselves.. in this business you can go from Hero to Zero in nothing flat!! We catch Holy Hell if we make a mistake but do you really think we get any credit on our day to day work, where we see things brewing and handle them without ever explaining ourselves to the owners or trainers??.It is just easier to fix the problems we find and go on..we dont do it for the Glory that is for sure..Experience Trumps forging skills and book learning everytime...problem is you have to do this for a long time before you become Experienced at it...JMO..Hang in there...:D
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 04:31 #132

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Kim, an older gent told me a long time ago, vets and farriers, both have to kill a few before they're worth a damn.
I stink, therefore I am.............a farrier.
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 05:16 #133

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Steve Swain wrote:
Kim, an older gent told me a long time ago, vets and farriers, both have to kill a few before they're worth a damn.

CLIENTS!!!;)
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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 09:47 #134

Joey Aczon wrote:
Did I ever show you my Ninja card? Oh well, In any case, we aren't very reputable for fixing cripples, not unless it involves teriyaki. :D


I can fix a horse to be a cripple in no time! :D



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RE:Why did this farrier do this? 01 Jun 2011 09:57 #135

MPLdyCop wrote:
Can you show an example of the grooving? :)


You don´t have clearance :D Forget about grooving or any other "high tech" stuff, out of your league and not important at this time. First you need to work with a lot of horses. Do it for free if you have to but trim/shoe horses.

Offer to ride with any shoer and don't ask questions the first year, just trim and shoe as much as your body can handle. When not under a horse make shoes. Nobody cares if they're good shoes, just make them. Forget about forge welding and what have you. Just make fronts and hinds and make um in pairs. Get milage, lots of it. Make up for what your school could not offer, time behind an anvil, time under a horse.

I promise you if you keep that up for a year, you'll be in way better shape. And if not I'll come over myself to teach you a couple of days.


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