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RE:Bad old founder 05 Jun 2011 23:02 #16

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Katy Watts wrote:
Is this horse kept in a stall and fed grain?
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It may well be on both grain and grass and it may be the fatest animal in horsekingdom.

But in the scheme of things and from what we can see, I'd say the gross neglect and failure to attend to properly and effectively and periodically trimming the poor beast's feet were far and away the highest causative factor and of the largest concern.
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RE:Bad old founder 09 Aug 2011 21:52 #17

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Tomorrow will see this horse.I'd like put him a banana shoe.The horse is on pasture with his mares.The owner says the horse is very happy.Tomorrow will post pics.
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RE:Bad old founder 10 Aug 2011 01:32 #18

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Gary Hill wrote:
That looks like a Natural Banana Trim!!:D


with the coffin joint ring bone don't align bones. just make comfortable. there is a test there Gabbs; good luck:cool:
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RE:Bad old founder 10 Aug 2011 03:48 #19

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Katy Watts wrote:
Working from the other side of the fence, I find that most folks think this is all about feet, and only consider what is nailed or not nailed to the feet. You guys have done too good a job convincing people you can fix laminitis without addressing the cause. Yes, a good trim or theraputic shoe can help. But in order to get these horses really sound again, we must address the cause. Thank you for pointing that out to your clients. Someday more farriers and trimmers will join us with a more holistic approach and we can do more good.

The same could be said with human medicine. We can say the doctor in the emergency room has done a good job of convincing little Tommy's mother that he can fix little Tommy's broken arm with a cast, but until little tommy learns to stop jumping off the roof of his house trying to fly then the cause has not been addressed.
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RE:Bad old founder 10 Aug 2011 07:13 #20

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Gday Jaye
Nice to see you
weres our Bob Pethic
havent seen him in s while either
hope ya bith well n good yeah ;)
Mark Anthony Amor
If we want anymore excrement like that outta you we'll squeese ya head :eek:
Mind how ya go now ;)
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RE:Bad old founder 10 Aug 2011 10:32 #21

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Gabino wrote:
I don't know the history of this horse,but at Spain, the first founder cause is the grain overdose.The folks love the Andalusians very fat.Most of this fat horses get founder.

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You get to see some good stuff Gambino. To me he looks like he "sloughed" his feet and was lucky enough to survive without treatment. I admire your efforts.

Glenn
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RE:Bad old founder 11 Aug 2011 22:09 #22

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Yesterday, I shod the horse. In the last week it had an abscess in the rigth front.



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RE:Bad old founder 12 Aug 2011 01:01 #23

Man Gabino, you do some nice work, but how do you find so many totally screwed up hooves over there? I don't see that much krap in 2 years. What's going on in Spain?

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Rick Shepherd

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RE:Bad old founder 12 Aug 2011 17:03 #24

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Here in Spain, there is not "equestrian culture". The most of the owners don't care their horses correctly. In this forum I read "If you manage your horse like a cow,your horse will have problems like a cow". The horse thad you named "Andalusian" and we named PRE (Pure race spanis) is a "trend horse". Everybody wants a PRE,but the most of the guys can't manage a horse.When a PRE is founder,it's going to husbandry.In this way,the horses pass on their foals the weakness on the feet. Besides,the owners want fat horses and they nourish them in excess.Results:The founder is an endemic disease in PRE.

I'm a Escraper farrier!! LOL. I work with the vets,and the vets are the better publicity.I must say too my website is an very very good instrument for give orthopaedic shoeing.

This morning,a vet call me for surgery a keratoma the next tuesday.Yesterday,another vet call me for a shoeing for suspensory damage.In my mail,a young lady from 200 km ask me my price for shoeing her founder mare.I'm shoeing a lot horses for endurance and dressage,but the most part of my work is corrective and orthopaedic shoe.

This morning I shod 4 horses in the same barn. The first was sound,no problem.The second,it has a quarter crack.The theird is founder in the hinds and his front are contracted heels with a crack.The 4ª has a quarter crack and underrun heels. That is my everyday work.

When you feed you horse like a cow,the horse has problems like a cow (and I pay my bills) Look this PRE-Andalusian-cow:



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RE:Bad old founder 12 Aug 2011 21:04 #25

Interesting. I have always heard about and seen so many great Spanish horsemen and horses that I just assumed that the whole equestrian community over there was top notch. Good thing they've got you! :)

I guess when I think about it, it's the same over here. Lots of good and bad horsemen everywhere.

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Rick Shepherd

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RE:Bad old founder 13 Aug 2011 01:40 #26

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Gabino wrote:
In this forum I read "If you manage your horse like a cow,your horse will have problems like a cow".

check this out:
http://www.dairylandhoofcare.com/

They got The Functional Trim. If you guys need some extra work, consider branching out. Maybe it's warmer inside a a dairy barn than other places you might work on horses.
Are you feeding your horse like a cow?
www.safergrass.org
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RE:Bad old founder 16 Aug 2011 22:28 #27

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The owner send me today the rads.What do you think?
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RE:Bad old founder 16 Aug 2011 22:32 #28

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Lucky to be alive and even luckier to have you shoeing it
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RE:Bad old founder 17 Aug 2011 02:56 #29

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brian robertson wrote:
Lucky to be alive and even luckier to have you shoeing it
I agree. Perhaps its time for a tenotomy?
Rick Burten PF

In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
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