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TOPIC: Gallium Nitrate

RE:Gallium Nitrate 09 Apr 2010 01:05 #31

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George Eby in gray

I have only viewed this page a few times ever, and have more to do than debate with people who have never tried it.

There ain't no "debate" to it.

You claimed scientific endorsement for gallium nitrate as an efficacious treatment for "navicular disease" when none exists, a fact that caused every functional BS detector on this forum to wail like a banshee. Like your kindred spirits (Cytek, Strasser, Tesky, et al), you've found that attempting to use hearsay and anecdotes as a substitute for experiment, empiricism, publication and peer review invariably results in a considerable loss of credibility. In your case, not to worry: you can't miss something you've never had.

Mind the doorknob. :)
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:Gallium Nitrate 09 Apr 2010 03:15 #32

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George Eby wrote:
We have 15 years of experience using gallium nitrate to cure navicular disease in tens of thousands to a few hundred thousands of horses world-wide.
Say what???? Tens of thousands of horses? A few hundered thousand horse? Congratulations! Your outlandish claims set my BS detector off so much that for perhaps the first time in history, it is in need of repair to restore it to is prior level of sensitivity. I would appreciate it if in the future, before you make these kinds of claims, you would let me know so that I can add whatever protection is necessary to keep my BS detector from attempting to commit hara-kiri.
Rick Burten PF

In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
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RE:Gallium Nitrate 09 Apr 2010 11:15 #33

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George,
What is it you were treating - navicular disease or navicular syndrome? Was a vet involved in determining navicular disease?
Mikel Dawson, RJF

(Denmark)
What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

Caution: Watch for hoof in mouth disease!!!
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RE:Gallium Nitrate 09 Apr 2010 12:52 #34

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Run Forrest, RUN!!!

:cool:
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Gallium Nitrate 12 Apr 2010 21:46 #35

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Mr. Eby,

I not only practice veterinary medicine and get under horses for corrective trims and shoe applications, but I am also the consulting veterinarian for Professional Laboratory and Research Services. If you would care to send me your research protocol, I could have my laboratory manager look it over and see if it can be done for the $45,000.00 that you offer. We would not have an interest in 'free' gallium nitrate as a bonus.

That said, I am aware of several studies on a product, Tildren, and am privy to four horses that were rejected from one study and a good friend of mine who is also a really good farrier had all four of them much improved within four months with just good trimming and proper shoe application alone. No medications were given and no veterinarian was involved. None were rideable when presented for the study and all are being ridden now. Your study, while well thought out, has too many areas that are uncontrolled and too many differing observers to be deemed a credible research project.

I will await your protocol and I will disregard claims of topical applications resulting in miraculous results and claims of 'cures' for many ailments in my objective assessment.

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.
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RE:Gallium Nitrate 13 Apr 2010 20:47 #36

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mwmyersdvm wrote:
. . . I will disregard claims of topical applications resulting in miraculous results . . .
Bryl-creem, a little dab'll do ya,
Use more, only if you dare,
But watch out,The gals will all pursue ya,
--They'll love to put their fingers through your hair.

Bryl-creem, a little dab'll do ya,
Bryl-creem, you'll look so debonair.
Bryl-creem, the gals will all pursue ya,
They'll love to RUN their fingers through your hair.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Tom Bloomer
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Gallium Nitrate 13 Apr 2010 23:06 #37

Well, Bloomer, now some of know how old you are!! :p

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Rick Shepherd

Although we know what we believe, we may only believe what we know. Dr William Moyers
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