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RE:navicular 30 Mar 2011 16:48 #151

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You time was not wasted Ron, we all know your reputation as an excellent farrier. Thanks for presenting your work. As we all know, the world is full of "experts", and it is especially common on the Internet.
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 00:14 #152

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DeniseMc wrote:
Well knock me over with a feather!!! It probably was not the first time, and I doubt it will be the last.:eek:



Maybe you could go one step further and put up some photos of your own work showing a properly dressed or shod foot?



From an article "The Strasser Method Trim Considered" written by Henry Heymering early 2000's: "30 degree hairline-this is a new idea. I could find no evidence that the hairline has any fixed relation to the functioning of the hoof, nor could I find any evidence that horses should have that particular hairline angle".
(Google Henry's name in case you are wondering who the heck he is). If there has been prior written history of a "correct coronet angle" I can bet dollars to doughnuts Henry would have known about it. So cite your references. You are the one who brought up the topic of "correct coronet angle".
LOL 30 degrees to what TO WHAT!? Denise . Like most Americans you think the world stops at your borders. A kind of flat world mentality. If Henry Heymering thought it was a new idea ."Then Henry Heymering thought it was a new idea" .His thoughts alone does not make it a new idea.
I'm afraid it could be said he didn't get out much.
I read articles every month about touted new ideas .
Written by leading horse industry "journalists" . Theses so called new ideas in 99% of case are not new ideas at all, just old one's rehashed. Its just the old timers that thought of them already are pushing up daisy's & don't have much of a say in it.
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 00:42 #153

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I'm sorry to have to say this but I really don't understand why your view could be of any importance. You have provided nothing more to this "conversation' than claim other views than yours are flawed. Well, I'm not impressed. And I am with others here that see a striking resemblance in attitude witnessed elsewhere.

I'm inclined to agree. So far not a single substantial post. Just a lot of 10 gallon hat and big buckle. And I don't see any inclination to change. Seems like the acorns rolled to the same spot when they fell from the tree.

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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 00:50 #154

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LOL 30 degrees to what TO WHAT!? Denise . Like most Americans you think the world stops at your borders. A kind of flat world mentality. If Henry Heymering thought it was a new idea ."Then Henry Heymering thought it was a new idea" .His thoughts alone does not make it a new idea.
I'm afraid it could be said he didn't get out much.
I read articles every month about touted new ideas .
Written by leading horse industry "journalists" . Theses so called new ideas in 99% of case are not new ideas at all, just old one's rehashed. Its just the old timers that thought of them already are pushing up daisy's & don't have much of a say in it.

That's funny, I seem to remember Denise asking you nicely for a reference as to where she can find this information. If you can't provide it, just say so.
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 00:56 #155

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
I'm sorry to have to say this but I really don't understand why your view could be of any importance. You have provided nothing more to this "conversation' than claim other views than yours are flawed. Well, I'm not impressed. And I am with others here that see a striking resemblence in attitude witnessed elsewhere.

And if you would have bothered to click this link I posted earlier, you could have looked at a couple of shoes I have used to "fix" horses. Again, what shoe am I supposed to promote here? Just the banana shoe or more? What crippling results are you talking about? Are you talking about anything anyway or just making noise?

Well, thank you for your time, mine appears wasted.


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If you had all the confidence in your banana shoe's Ron. Then my opinion wouldn't matter & you wouldn't be getting hot under the collar. I was only pointing out the obvious in regards to growth of horn being opposite to the curvature of your banana shoe & pointing out one of many underlining reason for the curvature being the opposite to your shoe.
Maybe you could elaborate more on how you feel the limb as a whole , muscles ligaments tendons & Joints will benefit & perform better .Then what every normal healthy horse born has been afforded.
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 01:05 #156

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reillyshoe wrote:
That's funny, I seem to remember Denise asking you nicely for a reference as to where she can find this information. If you can't provide it, just say so.
Oh I can provide it. I was just wanting Denise to reference the 30 degrees TO WHAT! other liner .
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 01:15 #157

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Oh I can provide it. I was just wanting Denise to reference the 30 degrees TO WHAT! other liner .

That makes sense. You declined to answer the question she asked you yesterday because you are waiting for her to answer the question you asked 10 minutes ago.

Am I missing something?
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 01:27 #158

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
I'm inclined to agree. So far not a single substantial post. Just a lot of 10 gallon hat and big buckle. And I don't see any inclination to change. Seems like the acorns rolled to the same spot when they fell from the tree.

Baron Tayler
Let me know when I'm not with in your forum rules. My fuse is not as short. ;)
I'm not the one laying claims of great success using curved shoes. If you don't want anyone questioning the results or the claims made. Then don't run a forum. Host a web site for alternative farrier products. or alternatively have them start a thread post on it. Then have you lock the thread. no bothersome acorns then .
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 01:40 #159

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People here do question things, hence Denise's request for a reference. The difference is some people come here looking for information while other people come here trying to look important by bad mouthing everyone else.

Guess which category you fit into?

So far you have not been inclined to educate, you don't seem interested in learning anything, and -as evidenced by your own story about being escorted out of a conference- seem to revel in arguing.

If you have a reference for Denise, why not try being helpful?
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 03:11 #160

reillyshoe wrote:
You time was not wasted Ron, we all know your reputation as an excellent farrier. Thanks for presenting your work. As we all know, the world is full of "experts", and it is especially common on the Internet.
Well said Sir !
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 03:12 #161

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reillyshoe wrote:
People here do question things, hence Denise's request for a reference. The difference is some people come here looking for information while other people come here trying to look important by bad mouthing everyone else.

Guess which category you fit into?

So far you have not been inclined to educate, you don't seem interested in learning anything, and -as evidenced by your own story about being escorted out of a conference- seem to revel in arguing.

If you have a reference for Denise, why not try being helpful?
I'm waiting for Denise to reference the other liner giving the calculation of 30 degrees hair line. In other words what is the 30 degrees being calculated off. Ground ,toe , pedal bone , short or long pastern. I'm not a mind reader .:rolleyes:

So far you have not been inclined to educate, you don't seem interested in learning anything, and -as evidenced by your own story about being escorted out of a conference- seem to revel in arguing. Funny it was one of theses question of 30 degrees to which other liner. That turned the day pear shaped.
Maybe I should make a mental note not to ask theses sorts of questions. & just go with the vib of the day, regardless of what's being hailed as best farrier practice .
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 12:19 #162

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Tom bloomer could you please show Denise what a coronet hair line angle of 30 degree to the ground would look like.
I will take some photos of one I'm trimming tomorrow just for you Denise. I have some pretty adapt protractors you can see for your self . That will be easier to up load from a camera ,Then having to borrowing a scanner to up load literature.:)
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 12:34 #163

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Tom bloomer could you please show Denise what a coronet hair line angle of 30 degree to the ground would look like.
I will take some photos of one I'm trimming tomorrow just for you Denise. I have some pretty adapt protractors you can see for your self . That will be easier to up load from a camera ,Then having to borrowing a scanner to up load literature.:)

Do you understand what a reference is? You don't need to "borrow a scanner to upload literature", you just tell us what book or journal or author and the page and we can find it from there.

Pictures of your trim might be interesting for other reasons, but they are not a substitute for a reference in this conversation.

I do think it is amusing that you are asking others to do your work. Speaking generally for people here, I think we understand the concept of a hairline angle. The discussion here is if this reference point is relatively new, or if it has been used in farrier history. With respect to Mr Heymering, he is an accomplished, published farrier historian. He has authored books on the subject. This makes him credible, and I trust his comment much more than I trust your all-knowing, comment.
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 13:06 #164

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www.facebook.com/rtstandards
If you click on that link Denise . Go in to photos, click on new years photos. There should be a photo of me in a paddock taken by Nicole putting some fronts on one of the standard breed that was foot sore.
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RE:navicular 31 Mar 2011 13:14 #165

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reillyshoe wrote:
Do you understand what a reference is? You don't need to "borrow a scanner to upload literature", you just tell us what book or journal or author and the page and we can find it from there.

Pictures of your trim might be interesting for other reasons, but they are not a substitute for a reference in this conversation.

I do think it is amusing that you are asking others to do your work. Speaking generally for people here, I think we understand the concept of a hairline angle. The discussion here is if this reference point is relatively new, or if it has been used in farrier history. With respect to Mr Heymering, he is an accomplished, published farrier historian. He has authored books on the subject. This makes him credible, and I trust his comment much more than I trust your all-knowing, comment.
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM . why the aggression.
With all due respect I my father his father & his father before him & so on were shoeing long before Mr Heymering 1975.Not every book published on horse shoeing is on the internet or available in public library's.
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