make up natural cara make up make up tutorial make up korea make up minimalis make up artis make up mata belajar make up make up wardah alat make up makeup forever indonesia makeup artist jakarta tips make up barbie make up natural make up make up wajah make up pesta make up syahrini makeup mata makeup minimalis peralatan make up make up cantik make up mac make up kit jual make up make up sederhana perlengkapan make up gambar make up vidio make up cara makeup minimalis wardah make up make up pac make up glamour cara memakai makeup make up panggung harga make up make up modern make up alami make up dasar pixy make up make up muslimah make up oriflame make up jepang makeover cosmetic make up ultima make up sariayu grosir make up makeup fantasi makeup pesta tas makeup langkah make up make up pria make up malam alat makeup tahapan make up produk make up shading make up mak up make up kebaya make up jilbab make up inez make up simpel contoh make up cara ber makeup makeup wajah tanpa make up make up terbaru toko make up mac makeup indonesia make up soft urutan make up trik make up makeover makeup brand gusnaldi make up paket make up panduan make up jual makeup brush make up bagus alat2 make up make up gusnaldi aplikasi make up alat alat makeup dasar make up inez make up peralatan makeup make up wanita make up berjilbab make up tebal sejarah make up make up maybeline make up branded make up siang tata cara makeup reseller make up make up muslim make up maybelin warna make up tips make up artist rias make up make up mata make up artis belajar make up make up artist kursus make up kuas make up make up forever indonesia jual make up mac indonesia make up make up artist indonesia harga make up forever jual make up online make up pac make up forever jakarta make up oriflame jual make up forever make up online shop indonesia harga make up sekolah make up grosir make up harga make up maybelline jual make up murah make up terbaru mak up mac make up indonesia sofia make up make up kit murah mac makeup indonesia produk make up jual make up kit make up store indonesia make up forever academy jakarta toko make up online jual make up set jual make up mac make up beauty jual make up branded produk make up mac make up forever harga make up mac indonesia produk make up artis jual make up palette produk make up forever make up palette murah before after make up pengantin before after make up sendiri before n after hasil makeup contoh make up karakter contoh riasan pengantin before n after harga make up wisuda harga make up artist harga make up forever make up wisuda rias wisuda di jogja Daftar harga make up forever daftar harga make up mac daftar harga kosmetik make up forever makeup wisuda harga makeup wisuda kursus make up di yogyakarta kursus make up di jogja kursus make up jogja kursus make up yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di jogja kursus make up artist di jogja kursus rias pengantin di jogja kursus rias di yogyakarta kursus tata rias di yogyakarta rias pengantin muslim jogja jasa kreasi jilbab wisuda yogyakarta jasa rias make up wisuda murah bagus bisa dpanggil tempat make uf di jigja yang bagus rias wisuda murah dan berkualitas yogyakarta pakar kreasi jilbab di jogja make uper natural yogya make up wisuda hijab area jogja make up dan kreasi jilbab yang bagus di jogja jasa make up natural untuk wisuda jogja makeup jogja make up jogja makeup yogyakarta make up yogyakarta makeup wisuda jogja make up wisuda jogja make up wisuda yogyakarta makeup wisuda yogyakarta
Thursday January 27, 2022
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: More Founder

More Founder 16 Sep 2010 20:36 #1

  • cuttinshoer
  • cuttinshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1629
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
These rads are about 6 weeks old, they were taken within 8 hours of the onset. Applied IM to whole solar surface and put the horse in boots. Horse has been continually improving. Have to go and have a look at her next week.

[ATTACH]14860[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH]14861[/ATTACH]
Attachments:
Justin Decker

"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 16 Sep 2010 20:39 #2

Wow, that's impressive for only 8 hours. Was this the first laminitic episode? Good luck next week. Let us know how you make out.

Regards
Rick Shepherd

Although we know what we believe, we may only believe what we know. Dr William Moyers
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 17 Sep 2010 00:15 #3

  • cuttinshoer
  • cuttinshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1629
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
Western Hill Forge wrote:
Wow, that's impressive for only 8 hours. Was this the first laminitic episode? Good luck next week. Let us know how you make out.

Regards

Yes, it was the first. They said she was fine when they fed her in the morning but not in the evening so time frame was reletive to that. About 15 degrees I saw her a few weeks ago but had not grown much foot and was doing very well with the boots.
Justin Decker

"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 17 Sep 2010 01:15 #4

  • chad rice
  • chad rice's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 679
  • Karma: 0
Justin, did you dome the IM to help load the sole, or were you just trying give more service area?
Chad Rice, CF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 17 Sep 2010 02:30 #5

  • cuttinshoer
  • cuttinshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1629
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
chad rice wrote:
Justin, did you dome the IM to help load the sole, or were you just trying give more service area?

That's what the vet and I have been doing on these acute horses, it seems to be doing a good job as far as success rates are going. I think Patrick is doing about the same thing only he domes his I believe, maybe he will jump in and explain. I think in certain instances getting an even distribution across the entire foot is a good thing to help stabilize things without getting carried away with wedges and such.
Justin Decker

"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 17 Sep 2010 02:37 #6

  • Clint Burrell
  • Clint Burrell's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 998
  • Thank you received: 7
  • Karma: 2
Justin,
Are you using the Soft Ride boots or something different?
Clint Burrell

"You say your from collage,
but you don't seem to bright.
You just brought a swichblade
to a pistol fight"
Move On by Chris Knight
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 17 Sep 2010 02:51 #7

  • cuttinshoer
  • cuttinshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1629
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
Clint Burrell wrote:
Justin,
Are you using the Soft Ride boots or something different?

The owner already had them and had been using them on trail rides, I think they where Cavallo. We don't normally use the boots with the IM, we just let it squeeze out the side of the foot fold it up and put some vetrap to hold it on. This guy just happen to have a pair of boots so they got used.
Justin Decker

"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 19 Sep 2010 14:50 #8

  • mwmyersdvm
  • mwmyersdvm's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 924
  • Thank you received: 11
  • Karma: 1
The conformation of this horse's hoof wall suggests that there have been some past subclinical laminitic events. Any owner originations of minor poor performance in the last six months? Are these the first radiographs this horse has had in the last year or so?

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 26 Sep 2010 19:06 #9

  • Patty Lynch
  • Patty Lynch's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Senior Member
  • Posts: 331
  • Karma: 0
mwmyersdvm wrote:
The conformation of this horse's hoof wall suggests that there have been some past subclinical laminitic events. Any owner originations of minor poor performance in the last six months? Are these the first radiographs this horse has had in the last year or so?

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.


Perhaps I just haven't been around the block enough times, but I have yet to see the amount of dorsal wall distortion as this horse has (had) and have it be "subclinical". IMO, this horse was physically saying something loud and clear a few months back and someone wasn't listening/paying attention. I am glad it's getting help now though. Have they identified any trigger, Justin? Is this an overweight horse?
Patty Lynch
Whole Horse Hoof Care
Barefoot When Possible, Shoes When Necessary :)
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 27 Sep 2010 01:02 #10

  • cuttinshoer
  • cuttinshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1629
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
mwmyersdvm wrote:
The conformation of this horse's hoof wall suggests that there have been some past subclinical laminitic events. Any owner originations of minor poor performance in the last six months? Are these the first radiographs this horse has had in the last year or so?

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.


All there horses have a long toe under-run heel, the two that were shod were extremely short shod. I'm curious as to the subclinical events, would the tip of the coffin bone not show some signs of remodeling, IMO that is one clean straight coffin bone.

I doubt they would have noticed, just a trail horse a few times a year. They are the first rads that I know about, no previous rads ever mentioned.
Justin Decker

"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 27 Sep 2010 01:05 #11

  • cuttinshoer
  • cuttinshoer's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1629
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
Patty Lynch wrote:
Perhaps I just haven't been around the block enough times, but I have yet to see the amount of dorsal wall distortion as this horse has (had) and have it be "subclinical". IMO, this horse was physically saying something loud and clear a few months back and someone wasn't listening/paying attention. I am glad it's getting help now though. Have they identified any trigger, Justin? Is this an overweight horse?

Trigger was metabolic, with the possibility of some mechanical involvement. Yes the horse is overweight and the diet was addressed immediately. Suppose to be setting up an appointment for this week.
Justin Decker

"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 03 Oct 2010 13:36 #12

  • mwmyersdvm
  • mwmyersdvm's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 924
  • Thank you received: 11
  • Karma: 1
cuttinshoer wrote:
All there horses have a long toe under-run heel, the two that were shod were extremely short shod. I'm curious as to the subclinical events, would the tip of the coffin bone not show some signs of remodeling, IMO that is one clean straight coffin bone.

I doubt they would have noticed, just a trail horse a few times a year. They are the first rads that I know about, no previous rads ever mentioned.

Good question about the coffin bone tip. The dodgey answer is that some do remodel and some don't. I currently have two cases that are very similar going on simultaneously that are older metabolic laminitics that do not have coffin tip remodeling and one even has chronically thickened HL zones. It appears that as long as circulation is maintained in that area and the horse can keep load within certain parameters (through adjustment for movement or not moving any more than is necessary) he can spare the coffin tip.

The appearance of these films is a currently stable chronic lamintic. When you see a well aligned pastern axis in a painful horse with a substantial laminar wedge, that laminar wedge has been present for quite some time. The sole has dwindled away over time until it is uncomfortable for the horse either due to thinned sole at the coffin tip of increased laminar strain as the wedge has increased over time (or both).

This case can usually be maintained well and can really make you look like a hero if the owners will perform the maintenance necessary to arrest the progression while you repair the mechanics. The hoof has been trying to stabilize, so all you need to do is assist and not do anything that may hinder the horse's reparative process. Keep the pastern axis aligned and help the horse move without pulling on those dorsal laminae and you should have a good result. Once the breakover is optimized, you should get some good sole growth. Keeping the breakover near or behind the tip of P3 would be the initial goal.

Have the veterinarian look at redden's protocols for taking radiographs for the farrier and you can get some good images to work from. Having a way to accurately measure HL zones and other parameters and using a flexible marker for the dorsal hoof wall will be a great benefit. I add thumbtacks to the frog tip, widest part of hoof (as estimated from solar markers), heel, and caudal frog so you can see these on the radiographic image and then relate them to your trim protocol.

Be very careful at the onset of treatment as many of these horses can get more comfortable than they have been in years. They must have restricted movement as they can so serious damage to the marginally stable laminae. I know of cases that have become very sound and owners put them quickly back into work, but you can't really know how stable the laminae are until you stress them and then it may be too late. Err on the side of caution and don't get pressed into "Mr. Jones horse did fine with his special trim and won an eveent a wek afte treatment". This is the exception and not the rule. I own up to my laminitic treatment failures as I want to learn and share my learning with others; many therapists do not even list theirs in their stats.

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 03 Oct 2010 18:58 #13

mwmyersdvm wrote:
The appearance of these films is a currently stable chronic lamintic.
M. W. Myers, D.V.M.

You're a braver man than I am Dr. Meyers ;)


Ronald Aalders
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 03 Oct 2010 21:39 #14

  • reillyshoe
  • reillyshoe's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 2690
  • Thank you received: 7
  • Karma: 4
mwmyersdvm wrote:
They must have restricted movement as they can so serious damage to the marginally stable laminae. I know of cases that have become very sound and owners put them quickly back into work, but you can't really know how stable the laminae are until you stress them and then it may be too late.

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.


On one hand you classify this case as "currently stable chronic" case, and yet you then describe the stability as "marginally stable" and that you "can't really know how stable the laminae are". This seems like a contradiction.
P
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:More Founder 03 Oct 2010 22:41 #15

  • mwmyersdvm
  • mwmyersdvm's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 924
  • Thank you received: 11
  • Karma: 1
Sorry for the confusion. I need to clarify. This horse has been stable for some time and has recently destabilized for some reason. As I stated, when the pastern axis is well aligned in a laminitic horse, it would be highly unlikely that this would occur as a rapid event. The usual course would be for the internal forces over time, as the condition went unrecognized and the horse had to handle it himself, would align the axis to relieve the stresses as best it could.

Many things could have caused the horse to be uncomfortable. The extended toe could have reduced circulation so that the sole thinned over time. Laminar tears could have recently occurred. His weight problem you have described finally got the better of him.

My primary point is that we should be radiographing healthy, sound horses so we know what is there when the horse appears to be doing well. We may find a disaster in the making in a few of them. We can also find some tweaking of the trim we would like to accomplish. Lots of positives from a good set of radiographs.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Kunena Birthday Module

  • GregTrem birthday is today
  • isagenixchallenge6A4A birthday is today
  • mercifulgimmickB72E birthday is today
  • AfflerbachDM birthday is in 1 day
  • CWFarrierSvcs birthday is in 1 day
  • jlthompson birthday is in 1 day
  • SlowShoe birthday is in 1 day
  • temposmom birthday is in 1 day
  • Antionette birthday is in 364 days
  • Awilda Buentello7D5B birthday is in 364 days
  • bennyjoe@shoeforyou.com birthday is in 364 days
  • Mike Wells birthday is in 364 days
Time to create page: 0.216 seconds

S5 Box

Register

*
*
*
*
*
*

Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required.