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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 12:22 #16

I think we are. The medial wall has less stability at the heel, in my view simply because of the lack of the type of "construction" the wall has at the toe. The toe is self is a flat arc, very stable and can handle a lot without deforming. The heel is another matter. So when the medial wall gives because of lacking lamellar integrity most damage occurs at the heel lessening towards the toe. The pain may have been worse medially and the horse might have found a way to load the lateral side enough to curve it in? That could account for the twist.

The lateral wall appears to have grown more, or did not crush as much as the medial side, worsening the rotation effect caused by this medial sinking. When stable the lateral side needs te be lowered, however in a foot like this I'd take my chances with a sideweight first. Judging from the amount of damage there is another scenario and that is that the present rotation sideways ("tilting" like, man, I need to redo my English classes) of this coffin bone is not too bad at all. We need to remember that growing of the hoofwall happens in a way that enables the lamellae to connect and disconnect is some fashion. If not the growing hoofwall that starts at the coronary band would take the coffin bone with it when growing down, where we all know it does not. No matter how long the foot is, the position of the coffin bone (distal/proximal) remains the same. The no doubt subtle connect-disconnect feature may well be severely compromised along with the lamellar bond in this case. Perhaps because of this damaged lamellar bond P3 managed to reattach itself within the hoofcapsule more or less horizontally by applying the connect-disconnect feature up higher on the medial side. Again, rads are needed.

By the way I'm looking at pictures here and I wonder if the horn growth on the medial side is there at all? Or did the papillae get messed up enough for them to quit producing horntubules? Further, where I'm no big fan of grooving either, in this case would it be of any help? Cut down the medial old wall from this side seems to free the new produced horn if its there in the first place.

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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 12:43 #17

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Here is a medial view of the foot. I resected the proximal hoof, as the hoof was very infected around the separated foot.
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 14:38 #18

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My thoughts would go to a total resection medial and boxing glove type of bandage to start getting the whole thing dry ...maybe even removing part of the sole also....:(
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 16:22 #19

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Well, I "only" resected the hoofwall as shown above, but the horse responded pretty well. I was particularly impressed with how even the new growth appears on the DP view:



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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 16:25 #20

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I think this is very interesting, as the sole was undermined (good call Ray). Notice the location of the old frog, and the different position of the new frog:




The entire foot seems to be straighter now than it was.
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 16:26 #21

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I am rather doubting that trimming to the live sole plane would have worked well on this case.
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 16:59 #22

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looks like a clear case for eponas applied by a plank
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 17:22 #23

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What a great way to learn!!Thanks Pat ....
It looked to me as if the left overs medial would have worked as a lever and that the sole would caurse more problems (pain) inducing pressure on the bent in lateral wall and streach in the coranary on that side...
What did you do cast it up or glue??
Great work and its not the first time I have seen the same thing ....but not live which is good.....smile
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 21:16 #24

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Thanks for sharing this Pat. Ron you got me thinking about some things.
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RE:What do you see? 09 Sep 2010 23:51 #25

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Ray_Knightley wrote:
What a great way to learn!!Thanks Pat ....
It looked to me as if the left overs medial would have worked as a lever and that the sole would caurse more problems (pain) inducing pressure on the bent in lateral wall and streach in the coranary on that side...
What did you do cast it up or glue??
Great work and its not the first time I have seen the same thing ....but not live which is good.....smile

The foot was very unstable, so I casted a clog for a few shoeings and then switched to glue.
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RE:What do you see? 10 Sep 2010 00:05 #26

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
I think we are. The medial wall has less stability at the heel, in my view simply because of the lack of the type of "construction" the wall has at the toe. The toe is self is a flat arc, very stable and can handle a lot without deforming. The heel is another matter. So when the medial wall gives because of lacking lamellar integrity most damage occurs at the heel lessening towards the toe. The pain may have been worse medially and the horse might have found a way to load the lateral side enough to curve it in? That could account for the twist.

The lateral wall appears to have grown more, or did not crush as much as the medial side, worsening the rotation effect caused by this medial sinking. When stable the lateral side needs te be lowered, however in a foot like this I'd take my chances with a sideweight first. Judging from the amount of damage there is another scenario and that is that the present rotation sideways ("tilting" like, man, I need to redo my English classes) of this coffin bone is not too bad at all. We need to remember that growing of the hoofwall happens in a way that enables the lamellae to connect and disconnect is some fashion. If not the growing hoofwall that starts at the coronary band would take the coffin bone with it when growing down, where we all know it does not. No matter how long the foot is, the position of the coffin bone (distal/proximal) remains the same. The no doubt subtle connect-disconnect feature may well be severely compromised along with the lamellar bond in this case. Perhaps because of this damaged lamellar bond P3 managed to reattach itself within the hoofcapsule more or less horizontally by applying the connect-disconnect feature up higher on the medial side. Again, rads are needed.

By the way I'm looking at pictures here and I wonder if the horn growth on the medial side is there at all? Or did the papillae get messed up enough for them to quit producing horntubules? Further, where I'm no big fan of grooving either, in this case would it be of any help? Cut down the medial old wall from this side seems to free the new produced horn if its there in the first place.

Ronald Aalders

Good post Ron, you have a good way of explaining yourself and are always educational. Thanks
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RE:What do you see? 10 Sep 2010 05:23 #27

chad rice wrote:
Good post Ron, you have a good way of explaining yourself and are always educational. Thanks


Thank you Sir, I appreciate that, I really do. Especially in another language its not always easy to find the right words to describe what I think.


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RE:What do you see? 11 Sep 2010 01:44 #28

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So was the bulge in the lateral wall similar to bullnosing that happens with a negative plane coffin bone?

Pat you did great work! I would not have guessed such a quality hoof could come so quickly if at all after something like that.

Could you tell me ... when you casted what pre trimming did you do. I would think lowering the lateral wall to align the boney column but quite honestly I am not sure of anything in a case like this. lol

Did you do any concaving to the hoof surface of the clog? If so where?
Was the frog utilized?

Sorry for so many questions but clearly the standard sinker protocol would not apply to this.

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RE:What do you see? 11 Sep 2010 01:47 #29

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Thank you Sir, I appreciate that, I really do. Especially in another language its not always easy to find the right words to describe what I think.


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Ronald I will ditto Chad's comment. Your use of the english language is better than most North Americans .
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RE:What do you see? 19 Sep 2010 15:06 #30

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Ray_Knightley wrote:
What a great way to learn!!Thanks Pat ....
It looked to me as if the left overs medial would have worked as a lever and that the sole would caurse more problems (pain) inducing pressure on the bent in lateral wall and streach in the coranary on that side...
What did you do cast it up or glue??
Great work and its not the first time I have seen the same thing ....but not live which is good.....smile


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