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RE:What to Do? 26 Sep 2009 23:17 #16

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dpoupard wrote:
If you look at orange arrow you can see that the hairline is uneven, blue arrow could be a small scar and red arrow also looks like an old scar line. In my opinion these are good indications that this is the cause of the WLD. I have never had WLD present in healthy horn, but give me an imbalance, toe crack, coronary scar, laminitis or club foot and it always seems to take hold.

This is a quote from Ric Redden on white line disease "Fungi are opportunists looking for a place to grow. It is my opinion that a scar, defect or structural weakness is present prior to all fungi invasion of the horn"

A radiograph may show that this a mild club foot and/or it has had an abscess break at the coronary band in the past.
Derek,

Thank You for the help, and everyone else that has helped along the way as well.

I have been treating it aggressively, but have yet to resect the foot. I don't think the WLD has spread. I am pretty much 'leaving well enough alone' while the weather is good here. The horse has shown no lameness on or in the foot, and I will tackle the project of resecting the remainder of the foot next cycle or if I lose the remainder of the lateral wall.

Should I open up the foot now or wait as long as I can? My wife mentioned that she wants to get him going soon for some fall events, but once I resect and patch, I want to keep him laid up and minimize the chances of him pulling off the bar-shoe/fill material/equipak package. He is sound as of now, I don't see a lot of reason other than cosmetic as to why she can't or shouldn't ride him as is for the time being.

Thanks again for all the help.

Trevor Wm. Hall, CF
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RE:What to Do? 27 Sep 2009 06:56 #17

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Trevor,
While working with Michael Wildenstein at Cornell, we had a case of a QH Stud. He removed all horn wall up to you could see the good new lamini. But before he did this, we soaked the hooves in Clean-Trax. After we nailed on the shoes, it was built back. He said the same as others here have - if you seal it up, it has to be 100% perfectly clean.
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What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

Caution: Watch for hoof in mouth disease!!!
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RE:What to Do? 27 Sep 2009 16:24 #18

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Trevor;

White Line (onycomicosis) I am terrible at spelling so hope it is somewhere close to correct, Will have a white cheesey look when you are in the area.

All the marketable items have there small degree of success, but sunlight is the best eradicator.
Clean Trax-White Lighting - merthiolate some use thrush-X and others bedidine etc...
Get the infected area out of the closet and open to air and sun light.
That is why I said leave it open for a while before closing up with equi lox or something else.

When you do patch it over your wife should very well be able to put the horse back into training.
A support shoe and possibly even clips on the wall each side of the resection area to contain the hoof wall.

Some of the other posts are thought provoking and I found interesting.

I would resect up to good healthy tissue and leave no gaps or cavities unattended to.

Looking forward to future pictures.

Good post friend !!!

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RE:What to Do? 27 Sep 2009 18:12 #19

Trevor, you will need to treat this foot similar to laminitis, bring the break over back with a rocker or blunt rolled toe to alleviate any pull on the deep flexor tendon. Support the sole with an impression or solepack material as you will find that by debriding you are creating an uneven tension similar to a laminitic episode. Do not cover until you are sure you have removed all fungi. I would not work this horse until you have some sort of dorsal attachment (rebuild or goosneck) otherwise it will rotate on you. Monitor the horse's sole at tip of P3 when back in work as it will tell you how the progress is going.
Another thing GOOD LUCK as you will be a bit shocked when you see how far this WLD can penetrate.
Derek Poupard CJF, Dip WCF
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RE:What to Do? 27 Sep 2009 22:32 #20

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I think the practice of rasping all hoof wall with buffer is extremely damaging for the hoof. It weakens the hoof wall and opens the way for the fungus.

Here,I resect all hoof infected.then,I rub with toothbrush and formaldeyde during one week (I manufacture and buy one magistral formula for clean trush and WDL).One week ago I reconstruct with Equilox.Bottom,egg or straigh bare with pad and impresion dental stuff.
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RE:What to Do? 27 Oct 2010 02:28 #21

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The two main points here are to completly resection damaged lamina, and allow it to remain open for at least 1/2 of a rotation. I have personally made the mistake of sealing one up to early, what a mess.

This horse was severly lame, and my job was just to get him comfortable enough to endure a trailer ride to Wheatherford Vet Clinic which is a 4 hr ride. I chose a super fast shoe with equipak pour, client stated it lasted 3 weeks.




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RE:What to Do? 27 Oct 2010 06:14 #22

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The suggestion for rads is a good one to follow. I battled one for a while a cojuple years back, them got lat rads done and then could see just how far up the shadows went. Gives a good guide, then the shoeing recomendations previously stated are good ones to follow.
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RE:What to Do? 28 Oct 2010 23:29 #23

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Okay here is an elementary question...

Why pack the sole? Just to add support since the wall has been removed thus weakening it?

Also is that why the heartbar is recommended?
Shane Wood
Central Oklahoma
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RE:What to Do? 29 Oct 2010 02:02 #24

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Buttermaker wrote:
Okay here is an elementary question...

Why pack the sole? Just to add support since the wall has been removed thus weakening it?

Also is that why the heartbar is recommended?

The reason I used a pour, or what you referred to as a sole pack was mainly to distribute weight, so the effected area is not taking quite the load. The heart bar moves the weight to the frog. It's all about where the horse is sore. Hoped I helped.
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RE:What to Do? 29 Oct 2010 04:23 #25

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13puppet wrote:
The reason I used a pour, or what you referred to as a sole pack was mainly to distribute weight, so the effected area is not taking quite the load. The heart bar moves the weight to the frog. It's all about where the horse is sore. Hoped I helped.

Yes that's what I was thinking you were trying to accomplish. Sorry had a brain cramp and used the wrong term. I just wanted to be sure and not assume. Thanks
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RE:What to Do? 30 Oct 2010 06:18 #26

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Hey Trevor, just thought I'd throw my .2 cents worth in....Basically, white line disease is a combination of anaerobic fungi and bacteria. Debriding the affected area (as you did) to allow oxygen to reach the affected tissue pretty much takes care of it. Keeping foot clean and dry are important in just allowing and maintaining air/oxygen to have access to these areas. As long as you feel air can reach the affected areas then you shouldn't have to resect further. my only advice would be NOT to cover/patch over what you have removed and to just let the area grow out. If the horse is being bathed regularly just have then slip a plastic bag over that foot and have them use an elastic/velcro to hold it in place. As for a bar shoe/heart bar/ equipak/ etc. thats entirely up to you, but the important thing is just to allow oxygen in to kill the bacteria/fungi. Hope you make out well!


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RE:What to Do? 01 Nov 2010 04:29 #27

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Thanks for all the tips guys.....I no longer have the horse on my books, and no longer have the wife to worry about either.....:D

The Horse I believe did make a full recovery, but was sold while the WLD was still somewhat active/present.

Have a good week.
Trevor Wm. Hall, CF
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Redmond, Oregon U.S.A.
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RE:What to Do? 02 Nov 2010 01:26 #28

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Trevor, sorry to hear about it, but for what it's worth...sounds like you are doing well. Best of luck. Cheers man.
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RE:What to Do? 02 Nov 2010 02:04 #29

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Did you lose the horse and the wife???:confused::eek:
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RE:What to Do? 02 Nov 2010 11:25 #30

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Made me Wonder Why you did't post anymore.
All the Best regards to you Trevor.
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