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What to Do? 08 Sep 2009 17:37 #1

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I have one of my own horses that I need some input on. In my practice over the years, I have yet to come across any significant WLD on any of my horses, or clients horses.

The horse is a 13y.o. QH. When I shod him in the past, I resected and my wife treated the active WLD. When I was shoeing him last night, I noticed that most of the wall from probably 7 o'clock to 12 o'clock was separated much further than I had anticipated. I didn't come in contact with any active WLD, or so I think.

Do I resect further? Should I not have resected what I did? Do I/Can I fill the void (Vettec) and proceed on as normal? The horse shows no signs of lameness or soreness.

Thanks in advance!!



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RE:What to Do? 08 Sep 2009 18:00 #2

Hi Trevor

I would resect till it looks all around like what the arrow is pointing at,
and think of using a heart bar shoe as well.

Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:What to Do? 13 Sep 2009 10:57 #3

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I just finished a customers hoof just as you have done.
I had them treat it with white lightening first then I made the decision to do resection.
I then had them bring the veterinarian in and he felt it all looked good and said a shoe would be benificial.
As Mr. Bradley has previously stated, a bar shoe would be a good choice.

I also believe leaving it open to the sun light for a while will also be benificial in eradicating the fungus.
Then using equi-bond to close it up and make it more apealing till it grows down.

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RE:What to Do? 13 Sep 2009 14:36 #4

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I agree with both Brad and Bruce. I would also treat the area with merthiolate and would definitely use a heart bar and polymeric sole support.

It looks to me that there is still a lot of detached wall that will need to be removed and that even in the resected area there may be some 'tracks' that will have to be further investigated.
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RE:What to Do? 13 Sep 2009 17:32 #5

Hi Trevor
Have a good look at the coronary band next time and see if there is any scarring, it looks by the picture there may be a past disruption there which is causing scar tissue which can be prone to WLD. If you look at your resection it looks like scar tissue in there as well.
Just a thought, as you could spend months trying to fix this and it can be frustrating. I find it very unusual for WLD to attack healthy wall.

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RE:What to Do? 14 Sep 2009 02:26 #6

hi T-hall, not too many answers so far,ill tell you what i would do if this was my horse and i could experiment on him.i would keep reseccting everywhere the wall was hollow.my guess is that an old injury at the coronary is the root cause and the hoofwall is not attaching in that area from the git go.i would sterilize the area,remove moisture with a heat gun and rebuild it all with epoxy leaving a window at the coronary area for treatment.-gary
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RE:What to Do? 14 Sep 2009 03:29 #7

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Thank you for the help Gents! I am currently treating it with 'Hoof Magic', which is supposedly better than White Lightning.

After treating it steady for the next 2 weeks, (or untill I lose what wall I have left) a friend and I are going to help me completely resect what is dead, remove any seed-beds and patch over with layered Equilox and Fiberglas mesh.

Gary, I like your suggestion about leaving a window for treatment. Then after resection and filling, we will fit at least an Egg-Bar, but I am leaning more towards a Heart-Bar. Rick, what do you mean by 'Polymeric' sole support? Would that consist of Blocking the rear half of the shoe and filling (Equipak) the toe portion?

Again, thank you guys for the help. I will certainly keep a running path of pictures to chart progress.
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RE:What to Do? 14 Sep 2009 22:22 #8

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T. Wm. HALL wrote:
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After treating it steady for the next 2 weeks, (or untill I lose what wall I have left) a friend and I are going to help me completely resect what is dead, remove any seed-beds and patch over with layered Equilox and Fiberglas mesh.
You have to be very careful if you patch the area. If you leave even a tiny amount of pathogenic material, you will probably end up with a bigger problem than you started with.
Rick, what do you mean by 'Polymeric' sole support? Would that consist of Blocking the rear half of the shoe and filling (Equipak) the toe portion?
EquiPak or the equivalent on the entire bottom of the hoof.
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RE:What to Do? 15 Sep 2009 06:34 #9

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Do any of you remember some articles on also adding high levels of either Vitamin A or Vitamin E to the diet of horses with WLD? I read it many, many years ago and can't recall which of those two it was recommending but I know it was a very high dose and the article mentioned you'd need a vet in on it to get the vitamins in that high a dose. At the time I think I talked to a few guys on line who thought it a good idea but I haven't read anything more about it. Anybody familiar with studies to support or not support this idea.

It wasn't saying that a vitamin deficiency was causing the problem, just that the vitamins helped in clearing it up in conjunction with resecting and topical treatments.

Cheri
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RE:What to Do? 15 Sep 2009 12:39 #10

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Henry Heymering, CJF,RMF is the person who authored many of the articles suggesting the use of Vit. A to help with new hoof wall growth and maintenance. The suggested amount is 100,000 IU daily for the average sized horse(http://www.horseshoes.com/glossary/v/glsrv.htm)
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RE:What to Do? 15 Sep 2009 16:35 #11

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Thanks Rick.
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RE:What to Do? 16 Sep 2009 11:52 #12

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Wouldn't radiographs make the job easier?
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RE:What to Do? 16 Sep 2009 12:06 #13

irishcas wrote:
Wouldn't radiographs make the job easier?

Why would you need radiographs. It's external not internal.
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RE:What to Do? 23 Sep 2009 19:11 #14

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Have a good look at the coronary band next time and see if there is any scarring, it looks by the picture there may be a past disruption there which is causing scar tissue which can be prone to WLD. If you look at your resection it looks like scar tissue in there as well.
Just a thought, as you could spend months trying to fix this and it can be frustrating. I find it very unusual for WLD to attack healthy wall.

Where do you see the scarring around coronary band, I cant see anything, not trying to say your wrong just interestd how you recognise it. I see white line disease quite a bit over here due to wet environment but it always enters the foot from the bottom and work up and seems to affect any type of a foot. There is one area I shoe and whether its something lacking in the land or high levels of bacteria in the soil or something there is a constant problem with WLD I have discussed it with other farriers and they find the same in this particular area. Anyone else have areas/yards like this
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RE:What to Do? 26 Sep 2009 10:12 #15

If you look at orange arrow you can see that the hairline is uneven, blue arrow could be a small scar and red arrow also looks like an old scar line. In my opinion these are good indications that this is the cause of the WLD. I have never had WLD present in healthy horn, but give me an imbalance, toe crack, coronary scar, laminitis or club foot and it always seems to take hold.

This is a quote from Ric Redden on white line disease "Fungi are opportunists looking for a place to grow. It is my opinion that a scar, defect or structural weakness is present prior to all fungi invasion of the horn"

A radiograph may show that this a mild club foot and/or it has had an abscess break at the coronary band in the past.
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