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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 14:08 #31

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what ph should the water be ?
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 15:01 #32

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you need to read my post again & I could say the same to you lets see some "real science" to back up your claims on soaking hay other then some garbage recommendation .
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Don't answer a question with a question. Shows there's no substance to what you're claiming. Use the search function and you'll see Katy provides plenty of cites for her advice. You've provided none. Until you do, please refrain from further blather on this thread.

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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 15:23 #33

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
Don't answer a question with a question. Shows there's no substance to what you're claiming. Use the search function and you'll see Katy provides plenty of cites for her advice. You've provided none. Until you do, please refrain from further blather on this thread.

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well may be if some one read my post properly in the first place baron, did you bother to ?doesn't seem so :blather {SMILE} i don't think i will be refraining just yet ,thanks anyway for the advice .
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 21:58 #34

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chris bunting wrote:
what ph should the water be ?
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pH should not matter to a diffusion or concentration gradient. To learn more:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O6-concentrationgradient.html

Here's an example: If Jack Mac drinks whiskey, his brain will reach equilibrium with the amount of alcohol in his blood more quickly than if he were to drink beer.

If the membrane becomes damaged and leaky, you may reach equilibrium much faster. The amount of water needed to create equilibrium is dependent on how much solute you need to get across the permeable membrane.
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 22:10 #35

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you need to read my post again & I could say the same to you lets see some "real science" to back up your claims on soaking hay other then some garbage recommendation .
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Ermmm......... www.safergrass.org

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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 23:18 #36

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Why thanks for the science lesson. Now here is a little useful information for you seen as your having trouble understanding carbohydrates ,chemical any of a class of organic compounds which are polyhydroxy aldehydes or polyhydroxy ketones or change to such as"simple" chemical transformations such as hydrolysis, oxidation , or reduction. Including- sugars, starch & cellulose . They form the "supporting" tissues of plants.now how long should we be soaking this hay for ? PS baron you can google any of that for validation if you like, it's year nine high school :rolleyes:
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 20 Dec 2009 23:31 #37

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Katy Watts wrote:
pH should not matter to a diffusion or concentration gradient. To learn more:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O6-concentrationgradient.html

Here's an example: If Jack Mac drinks whiskey, his brain will reach equilibrium with the amount of alcohol in his blood more quickly than if he were to drink beer.

If the membrane becomes damaged and leaky, you may reach equilibrium much faster. The amount of water needed to create equilibrium is dependent on how much solute you need to get across the permeable membrane.
Katy

So a 100 gallon water trough should work fine for an average size bale of hay.
Thanks.
Chris Schaeffner
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 21 Dec 2009 00:20 #38

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I find it very strange that the ph level of water wouldn't effect,chemical reaction or molecule bonding.how silly of me not to know that!!!!!, are well it will have to be back to school for me then to brush up, Oh & katy if you read your own post,you answered my argument for me.;)
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 21 Dec 2009 10:42 #39

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Katy Watts wrote:
pH should not matter to a diffusion or concentration gradient. To learn more:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O6-concentrationgradient.html

Here's an example: If Jack Mac drinks whiskey, his brain will reach equilibrium with the amount of alcohol in his blood more quickly than if he were to drink beer.

If the membrane becomes damaged and leaky, you may reach equilibrium much faster. The amount of water needed to create equilibrium is dependent on how much solute you need to get across the permeable membrane.
Katy
vanishing posts again !!!!, lets try this angle then ,what is the measure of ethanol content of the whiskey to the concentrate of the ethanol in the beer, per litre , I make some wicked home brew's right up there on ethanol content to whiskey , your point being katy ?
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 21 Dec 2009 12:06 #40

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You really do not have a clue what Katy has studied or with whom she has studied or collaborated. :rolleyes:
oh please do tell i love a good joke are his initials J C.:D
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 21 Dec 2009 12:48 #41

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surely 100lts of acidic water will give different results to 100lts of alkilai water?
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 21 Dec 2009 13:02 #42

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surely 100lts of acidic water will give different results to 100lts of alkilai water?
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If you believe that pH matters to the diffusion of sugar in an aqueous solution, then perhaps you should do a study. My very limited funding is already allocated to studies that I think might be useful.
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 23 Dec 2009 08:58 #43

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Katy Watts;185370 wrote:
If you believe that pH matters to the diffusion of sugar in an aqueous solution, then perhaps you should do a study. My very limited funding is already allocated to studies that I think might be useful.
Katy[/QUOTE"]i think might be useful" and what might they be? seen as your telling every one to soak there hay ,I would of thought you would want to be sure you were giving the right advice ?
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 23 Dec 2009 15:04 #44

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thanks john you can see my point . common sense tells me there have got to be different results between an acid and an alkili
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RE:New Study Questions Safety of Soaked Hay 23 Dec 2009 15:11 #45

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I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but common sense also would indicate that if the water being used for soaking is acceptable to be used as drinking water, then it's most likely in the neutral ph range, and the difference in results between water that is either slightly alkali or slightly acidic is going to be negligible. But John already knew that. He just likes to stir things up.

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