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TOPIC: Steel Egg Bar

Steel Egg Bar 05 Aug 2009 09:30 #1

I have not encountered very many navicular horses so I dont really know the best shoeing options. Has anybody had success from just steel egg bar shoes? I know the heels need to be brought back and I was thinking this was the shoe for the job. And if so is there anything special I need to do to fit them properly. Also are clips needed? Open to any suggestions.
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 05 Aug 2009 13:46 #2

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The longer (egg bar) shoe is not the solution to treating navicular syndrome or disease.Other factors are.
1) The trim. Trimming the heels back to remove all underrun material is critical to move the base of support (the base of the hoof CAPSULE) more rearward under the foot and navicular bone area.

2) reduce leverage on the toe and the internal structures at the moment of breakover.This means knowing where P3 is inside the foot and keeping the point of breakover near or under the tip of the bone, not far ahead of it.

3) alignment of the distal phalanxes is also critical ,to reduce stress on the impar ligament and the coffin joint surfaces. This may mean adding wedges if the bones do not align once the heels are trimmed and the frog engaged in the support of the coffin joint.

Get all three right and your on your way to successful treatment. Egg bars are rarely necessary if everything else is done right.
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 05 Aug 2009 18:15 #3

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cowboyshoer22 wrote:
I have not encountered very many navicular horses so I dont really know the best shoeing options. Has anybody had success from just steel egg bar shoes? I know the heels need to be brought back and I was thinking this was the shoe for the job. And if so is there anything special I need to do to fit them properly. Also are clips needed? Open to any suggestions.



Yes i have had good success with steel egg-bars
nothing special in fitting
you dont want to be tight or short
i prefer clips
i prefer making them as well i find its easier
Smitty88
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 06 Aug 2009 16:36 #4

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When the hoof is trimmed that well nearly any good shoe application will just 'put the icing on the cake'. Not sure you really need an egg bar on that well prepared a hoof. Might be why they are so succesful for you. You are selling your trimming skills too short :)

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RE:Steel Egg Bar 06 Aug 2009 21:32 #5

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What does the steel egg bar really do??
what do they reduce or stop??
The question is maybe the way to know with which cases regarding Navicular the shoe has possitive effects..
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 06 Aug 2009 23:28 #6

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Ray_Knightley wrote:
What does the steel egg bar really do??
what do they reduce or stop??
The question is maybe the way to know with which cases regarding Navicular the shoe has possitive effects..


Moves force mechanics more caudual.
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 06 Aug 2009 23:30 #7

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mwmyersdvm wrote:
When the hoof is trimmed that well nearly any good shoe application will just 'put the icing on the cake'. Not sure you really need an egg bar on that well prepared a hoof. Might be why they are so succesful for you. You are selling your trimming skills too short :)

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.

Learned a long time ago; "If ain't broke , don't fix it".:rolleyes:
Smitty-Yes i have had good success with steel egg-bars
nothing special in fitting
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 01:16 #8

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Moves force mechanics more caudual.
"mechanics" That could mean anything.lets be more specific. The egg bar adds a lever arm out the back of the foot.
It moves the SUPPORT forces, (the ground reaction force) more caudally ,which can increase stresses in the heel buttresses of the foot itself.
That can lead to the eventual detriment of the foot if the heel buttresses of the foot are not also moved caudally via trimming them back.
An overgrown /underrun heel with an egg bar is a recipe for causing more caudal foot pain because of the increased force in the heel buttresses.particularly at landing when that bar hits the ground before the foot. The reason the egg bar works at first is because it keeps the heels up on the ground on landing instead of letting it sink down ,that's all.
An egg bar ,unless rolled or rockered, also does absolutely nothing to reduce the leverage forces on the toe at breakover,which will cause stress in the impar ligament ,navicular bone and coffin joint , all common factors in 'navicular syndrome'.
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 01:39 #9

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calshoer wrote:
"mechanics" That could mean anything.lets be more specific. The egg bar adds a lever arm out the back of the foot.
It moves the SUPPORT forces, (the ground reaction force) more caudally ,which can increase stresses in the heel buttresses of the foot itself.
That can lead to the eventual detriment of the foot if the heel buttresses of the foot are not also moved caudally via trimming them back.
An overgrown /underrun heel with an egg bar is a recipe for causing more caudal foot pain because of the increased force in the heel buttresses.particularly at landing when that bar hits the ground before the foot. The reason the egg bar works at first is because it keeps the heels up on the ground on landing instead of letting it sink down ,that's all.
An egg bar ,unless rolled or rockered, also does absolutely nothing to reduce the leverage forces on the toe at breakover,which will cause stress in the impar ligament ,navicular bone and coffin joint , all common factors in 'navicular syndrome'.

Don't start a game you can't seem to finish Patty; w/o crying "Uncle" due to facts:rolleyes:
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 02:00 #10

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So Jaye, what EXACTLY did you mean by "force mechanics". That is extremely vague. So please be more specific.
What forces exactly? Forces in or on what structures inside the foot ? Or what forces on the outside of the foot? Or up in the leg?

This could actually be a very good discussion on the mechanics of egg bars, so let's be civil and discuss it.
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 02:12 #11

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calshoer wrote:
So Jaye, what EXACTLY did you mean by "force mechanics". That is extremely vague. So please be more specific.
What forces exactly? Forces in or on what structures inside the foot ? Or what forces on the outside of the foot? Or up in the leg?

This could actually be a very good discussion on the mechanics of egg bars, so let's be civil and discuss it.

GEEEZZ, Again I have to educate the educator:rolleyes:

Why don't you explain the forces w/o the " Papal Scrolls/Text"; bet ya can't do it! (?):cool:
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 02:19 #12

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So if you feel you must again educate the educator, then do it. Stop answering her questions with challenges and questions. Go ahead, fulfill that need and let's see some educating.

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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 02:27 #13

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
So if you feel you must again educate the educator, then do it. Stop answering her questions with challenges and questions. Go ahead, fulfill that need and let's see some educating.

Baron

I asked a pertinent question. If she can't answer it w/o the customary and usual talking points; well.........


I have answered so many questions, demands and other inquiries from her; she doesn't post any of her "RECENT WORK" but likes to throw rocks from afar.

Delete my post, I don't care!

She has to prove to ME and others that she can provide interesting and useful information beyond the "Talking Points"~~~ "Impar Ligament is only .0004% of foot lameness in all horses in the U.S.A.."

I provide fact not usual and customary nomenclature:rolleyes:
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 02:46 #14

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"Impar Ligament is only .0004% of foot lameness in all horses in the U.S.A.."
cite?

I am not discussing anyones shoeing here ,yours or mine.
I am discussing the mechanics of egg bars.
So please cite your number quoted, and please tell us what else exactly in my post you disagree with, and your reasons. That would be a start.
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RE:Steel Egg Bar 07 Aug 2009 02:50 #15

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calshoer wrote:
cite?

I am not discussing anyones shoeing here ,yours or mine.
I am discussing the mechanics of egg bars.
So please cite your number quoted, and please tell us what else exactly in my post you disagree with, and your reasons. That would be a start.

I asked first. Again, you demand w/o showing pertinate facts outside the 'Nomenclature'. I always back up my words w/ facts. BTW, you still have the little red book. Study it and you will find the numbers.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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