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Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 30 Jul 2009 00:56 #1

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OK ... posting a couple of rads.

Questions: aside from the obvious rotation and sinking, as well as the detachment of the dorsal wall, is that demineralization of the P3 that I see on the bottoms? And what is all the cloudiness around the NB and above on the left front ? And am I seeing ringbone on the pasterns? The palmar processes seem to be greatly compromised, as well? (none of which has been mentioned by vet other than founder and abscesses). ?? Am I reading these incorrectly?

Brief history: OBESE 4 yo. mare. Stands approx. 15.2 hh and has to weigh in at about 1400# - Raised on Ultium and now switched to Trotter Complete Feed, I believe. Dry (well, dry and MUD) lot. No grass. 1 cup of grain a day if even that. Hay is soaked for every feeding. Nothing else is given in way of supplementation as far as I know. Has been abscessing, according to the vet, since beginning of July. Vet 'dug around a little bit' and said he feels she's bruised and abscessing. Had been tender "for weeks" before initial trim in June (see my avatar - that's one of this mare's hooves after I trimmed her in June for the first time. She was standing square at will and moving out better than when I arrived. Seemed to be much more comfortable even though foundered.) Vet advised to soak then wrap with sugardyne and boot. Off and on lameness since. Some days up and running about - others down and out flat grade 5. These xrays just taken. Was unable to be trimmed thoroughly in July cause unable to lift feet even when buted heavily. Owner with little $$ for 3 week or 2 week visits. Now toes extremely long (as you can see) and definitely needs heavy trim and wedge removed BUT ... looks like dorsal wall separation so ??? Vet still says soak ... 2X day. Soak and boot. I say no soak as it is making those soles so soft the damn foot is going to perforate! Soles perilously thin and compromised. !!!! But, vet doesn't agree. Can't argue with vet. Needs some sort of metabolic support as well. Vet offers little in that respect.

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here are the xrays:

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RE:Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 30 Jul 2009 20:01 #2

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They look quite similar to these rads and symptoms sound familiar. The first was taken 08/28 and the second one 30 days later. Both feet were the same. She wore Redden modified ultimates for a total of 3 months, recovered and went back to endurance 6 months after 08/28. There was no soaking, just impression mtl. in caudal aspect. Trimmed only as growth dictated.
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RE:Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 30 Jul 2009 23:57 #3

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The x-rays are not true Laterals and are slightly oblique and the cloudiness looks like thickening of the collateral cartilage this may be why it was not mentioned.
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RE:Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 30 Jul 2009 23:59 #4

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mmhorseshoeing wrote:
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The x-rays are not true Laterals and are slightly oblique and the cloudiness looks like thickening of the collateral cartilage this may be why it was not mentioned.


Are they true or is is it medial displacemnet of both fronts john?:p;):)
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RE:Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 31 Jul 2009 00:07 #5

Need to see DP still not seeing ring bone :rolleyes:
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RE:Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 03 Aug 2009 16:25 #6

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Can anyone tell me more about these xrays? The 'track' running up the dorsal wall ... separation from rotation? Fungus? Abscess? What about the void in the left front adjacent to the P2? What is that? What about the bottom of the P3 ... the ragged edges? any other comments, views? Thanks.
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RE:Tell me about these feet please? Xrays ... 03 Aug 2009 19:52 #7

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caballus wrote:
Can anyone tell me more about these xrays? The 'track' running up the dorsal wall ... separation from rotation? Fungus? Abscess? What about the void in the left front adjacent to the P2? What is that? What about the bottom of the P3 ... the ragged edges? any other comments, views? Thanks.

Nice x-rays thanks for sharing.
Far from an expert but since you can faintly make out the deep flexor tendon on the right hoof I would assume that any actually remodeling of the bone would be much more crisp.

I think mmhorseshoeing is correct you are looking at thickening of the collateral cartilage.

As to the "track" I am still a newbie but to my thinking you knew she foundered and that looks like separation, and her toes are long due to her lack of co-operation which would/could/should cause further leverage so I would go with the obvious and diagnosed founder. Just fyi there still appears to be lamella wedge to my eye.

I know at least with my vet if x-rays rule out existence of something more sinister and there are areas that look like possible gas pockets and all symptoms are right he calls it as he sees it abscess.
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