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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 10 Sep 2009 14:57 #46

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I am sure this shoeing is helping her some but there is a lot more you can do for even better results.
I would ease the breakover all around LOTS more than that, as well as bring the BO at the toe back a bit further,and reduce the heels to lengthen the base of support in the caudal portion of the foot. (you can always wedge her after if needed) You would be surprised how much better you can get these with those three changes.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 00:03 #47

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Another update on this mare, owner called me last thursday and said that she has gone really sore. i went down to see her and didn't like what i saw. she was very sore and strong pulses. i removed her shoes and put her back on styrofoam. i called the first vet and we had him come down and xray her. i wasn't there when he got there as he came later that evening. he didn't like what he saw, the right foot had dropped and rotated some more and there were gas pockets showing in the toes. he treated her and emailed the xrays to Dr Pownall at the clinic. (sorry i don't have a copy of the lastest xrays). anyway the next day Dr Pownall called and said he would come down and shoe her today and asked if i could be there as well. we met up at 1:30 today. he was going to put her in clogs but then changed his mind and went with heartbars and IM. he cut into her toes a bit to hopefully drain these pockets but they weren't bad and he didn't take much away at all. the doc just picked up his new stonewell trailer yesterday and i think he just really couldn't wait to try it out. what a nice little trailer this is. i was so impressed w
ith the trailer i took more pictures of it and not many of the shoeing.





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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 00:08 #48

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Heres some pictures of his new trailer.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 00:10 #49

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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 00:31 #50

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Soo was the horse any better after the Vet shod it?
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 00:40 #51

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She walked off good , but she did the last two times i shod her as well. i think this will be a better package for her.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 19:46 #52

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Dave what sort of plate did you use under the shoe? Where ya able to nail through it? If you get em or if any one else has xrays showing gas pokets could they post them ive never seen em in an xray before.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 23 Sep 2009 22:04 #53

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I usually use 3/16 ali plate but i didn't have any left so i used 20 gage sheet metal. just drill out the nail holes. i'll see if i can get the xrays mailed to me.and post them.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 28 Nov 2009 12:43 #54

How long between resets?

I hate to ask about anything obvious but, sometimes they walk off fine after shoeing, then start getting sore around week 4 or 5. I have had to reset some at 3 weeks, I glue the shoe and use a different two nail holes each time I reset for back up.

I also take the support all the way to the ground, with Sole Pack CS or a combination of CS and a frog support pad.

I prefer to use a natural balance shoe. With the ring bone I have used a grinder to round the entire shoe all the way to the heals. Making the heals look similar to half-rounds. Some people don't care for this approach but I have had a lot of success with it.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 28 Nov 2009 13:04 #55

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I reset the mare last week , she is doing well, only took a coulpe pictures and haven't loaded them on photobucket yet. i just reset the heartbars and packed with IM. didn't want to change anything as she is doing fine as is.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 20 May 2010 00:03 #56

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Definate rotation of the os- pedis i have seen many xrays like these you should of already had a pair of heart bar shoes on this horse to help reverse the rotation and to relax the pull of the deep flexor tendon, the sooner the better when it comes to reversing the rotation, founderd horses treated right within the frist 24 hours can be completly healed with in 6 weeks, i have done it on more than one occasion. Cecil Hancock.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 21 May 2010 01:07 #57

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randwick wrote:
Definate rotation of the os- pedis i have seen many xrays like these you should of already had a pair of heart bar shoes on this horse to help reverse the rotation and to relax the pull of the deep flexor tendon, the sooner the better when it comes to reversing the rotation, founderd horses treated right within the frist 24 hours can be completly healed with in 6 weeks, i have done it on more than one occasion. Cecil Hancock.

Cecil,
How exactly does a heart bar decrease the pull of the DDFT?
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 21 May 2010 09:13 #58

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it relaxes the pull of the tendon by the amount of pressure placed on the frog, when you place your shoe on a flat surface the point of pressure should show 1/4 of an inch gap between the sole pressure and the point of the frog pressure and its the frog pressure that relaxes the pull of the deep flexor tendon. Cecil hancock.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 21 May 2010 11:17 #59

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I don't think the idea of frog pressure reducing DDFT strain makes much sense. Heart bars might work for other reasons (not all of the time), but this claim seems a stretch.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 21 May 2010 11:40 #60

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How does frog pressure cause relaxation of the DDFT? Consider for a moment that the tendon has only two lengths--resting and working and the difference between the two is slight. Since the tendon has little ability to relax(ots basically inelastic), it becomes the province of the muscle to which it attaches proximally, to either relax or contract so the effect of the appliance has to somehow cause the DF muscle body to relax and by so doing, release tension through the DFT. If my scenario is accurate, and I believe it is, please explain how the frog plate creates this effect, especially when we take into consideration the other mechanical dysfunction that is occurring within the hoof capsule at the same time. Additionally, if a heart bar shoe is applied to a hoof that has not yet mechanically or metabolically stabilized, does one not run the additional risk of creating pressure necrosis with the appliance?
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