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TOPIC: your thoughts on these x rays

RE:your thoughts on these x rays 29 May 2010 01:42 #121

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scruggs1 wrote:
Absolutely. Preservation of life requires avoiding the pain response. Certainly, there is muscular contraction either reflex and/or controlled...away from the pain stimulus, not into it. Some seem to believe otherwise. If contraction was an automatic or deliberate action into the pain response causing a movement further into that pain response the animal kingdom would be in deep coprolite.

A DEEP 6 in fermentation would regulate and deffer some of the Farriers' problems seen to date.

But, I have seen(not academically studied or pursued), alleviation of pain gains a better and faster response to the horn and laminar attachments proximal.
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RE:your thoughts on these x rays 29 May 2010 12:05 #122

scruggs1 wrote:
I earnestly welcome any contrary information you may have that will detail how a pain response is accompanied by an increase in muscular contraction within or into the offending tissue.

I enjoy this dialog and appreciate your input. Please excuse my lack of getting my thoughts in writing, I have to admit I'm not very good at it and it can come across as argumentative or negative which is not my intention at all.

Your analogy with the hot shoe kind of clears up for me why you think the way you do about the reaction to pain. The initial reaction to pain and the purpose of pain after wards are two different things. First adrenalin and survival instincts kick in and you release the shoe then pain kicks in and you cuss. Pain kicks in after and actually by design can immobilize the person or animal once instinct detects you are in a safe place. Barboro is a good example of adrenalin kicking in and continuing to run after the initial break however the damage and pain afterward, laws of physics lead to his demise. A wounded deer running while it bleeds to death seeking a safe place is instinct once the animal finds a safe place to fight the odds of survival or death then the body is in pain to immobilize the animal as another survival instinct then it is a matter of beating the odds. A primitive way to deal with injury and hopefully survive, but we have better methods than that with todays knowledge and experience combination of science and common sense. People react the same way, react, flight to seek safety and then pain reaction to protect the injury. Problem with laminitis in a domestic environment is horses need to seek softer ground, lay down or dig their toes in to relieve the pain however people all too often miss this window of opportunity and believe me horses will do it if they have the opportunity.

Another problem is an understanding of the time line, I think out of most farriers and Vets I have encountered dealing with laminitis Jaye Perry makes the most sense to me as to when to deal with it. We need to use common sense and provide the horse with the opportunity to also manage the pain. There are so many variables with laminitic horses in a domestic environment the duration of the acute phase and chronic phase and treatment varies and of course the biggest variable people and common sense. Pain during laminitis can be for a very long period of time and it is my experience managing the pain first aids in minimizing the mechanical stress to the lamina due to muscular contraction and response to pain.

Speaking of involuntary muscle contraction this is common with severe sprains as a reaction to pain and hyper or damaged nervous system. Talk to a sport medicine doctor about casting sprains to deal with involuntary muscle contraction, it is a common problem with severe ankle sprains.

I am suppose to be away from my computer and anything work related spending time with the family camping so I rushed my thoughts. Got to go for now will check in later to see how it went later on. :D
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