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Blood in the White line 30 May 2009 21:10 #1

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I trimmed an Appy today that was foundered some time ago. As I was trimming and shaving the dead sole out I saw blood in the white line. Is this normal? Just started and haven't done to many laminitis cases. Sorry no pics. I wasn't even sure if I was going to do the job when I left home this morning. This horse has run off two other farriers before me. I scheduled her again in 6 weeks will take camera then. Just curious about the blood in the white line. Thanks in advance.
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RE:Blood in the White line 31 May 2009 02:27 #2

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Blood flow,just a spot, or an indication of blood only? How wide an area?

I'm guessing this is a barefoot horse. How long since the last trim?

Is there sole bruising at the toe?
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RE:Blood in the White line 31 May 2009 02:28 #3

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It is normal to see the evidence of past laminitis in the whiteline of previously foundered hooves. It may be 8 months to a year until all the damaged laminae grow out and sometimes, if the permanent damage was serious enough, the laminae in the toe never quite returns to normal.
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RE:Blood in the White line 31 May 2009 15:08 #4

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My understanding is that any time there is lammellar separation the damage is permanent. The primary laminae might return, but the secondary laminae do not recover.
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RE:Blood in the White line 31 May 2009 15:18 #5

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My understanding is that any time there is lammellar separation the damage is permanent. The primary laminae might return, but the secondary laminae do not recover.
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I suppose that is a possibility but given that the secondary laminae are not easily visible to the naked eye, for all practical; purposes I'm sure you as well as I have seen a some formerly mildly foundered horses that eventually have what appears to be normal looking epidermal laminae at the ground surface and therefore no sign of the founder at least to the naked eye. And just as many who never get to that point .:)
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RE:Blood in the White line 31 May 2009 15:19 #6

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reillyshoe wrote:
My understanding is that any time there is lammellar separation the damage is permanent. The primary laminae might return, but the secondary laminae do not recover.
The damage is permanent to the damaged laminae but the hoof is always growing new. So that would mean both primary and secondary would grow new. Yes? Do you have any written backup on your understanding? I'd be interested to read. thanks.
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RE:Blood in the White line 01 Jun 2009 00:01 #7

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The comment is from Pollitt and VanEps, and I am comfortable in the accuracy. The comment is a very important distiction Patty, as the amount of surface are expands from (on average) 1 square meter with the primary laminae to 9 square meters of attachment area if the secondary laminae is intact. The inability of the secondary laminae to reconstruct is one of the reasons chronic laminitis cases are prone to relapsing, even if the laminae appears to be recovered.
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RE:Blood in the White line 01 Jun 2009 00:02 #8

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The damage to the basement membrane results in a loss of architecture of the laminae, so they do not grow back in the original configuration.
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RE:Blood in the White line 01 Jun 2009 02:32 #9

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westtxshoer wrote:
Blood flow,just a spot, or an indication of blood only? How wide an area?

I'm guessing this is a barefoot horse. How long since the last trim?

Is there sole bruising at the toe?

It was just a a couple of spots in the toe of left front and right rear. The laminae was about 1/2 inch wide and the blood was just in the front of the toe on both. It was a barefoot horse the last trim recieved was in January the owner said. Her hooves were between 8 and 10 inches long when I got there. Thanks for all the replies.
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RE:Blood in the White line 01 Jun 2009 14:04 #10

reillyshoe;160259 wrote:
The comment is from Pollitt and VanEps, and I am comfortable in the accuracy. The comment is a very important distiction Patty, as the amount of surface are expands from (on average) 1 square meter with the primary laminae to 9 square meters of attachment area if the secondary laminae is intact. The inability of the secondary laminae to reconstruct is one of the reasons chronic laminitis cases are prone to relapsing, even if the laminae appears to be recovered.[/QUOTE

Excellent explanation.
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