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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 18 Mar 2012 20:36 #16

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Red, you are a doll and I've never seen you impolite or disrespectful to anyone. I value your opinions and appreciate your input, and disagreeing does not change the respect I have for you.
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 18 Mar 2012 22:20 #17

I may be wrong, but it is my recollection that in the "old" forum, owner questions were allowed about posts by farriers or other owners in the "farriers helping..." categories., as long as it pertained to the topic of the post. Comments, not so much, for obvious reasons.

Maybe Steve has a way to check the previous rules. Hang in there buddy.

Edit: Never mind Steve, it's in the current rules.

# 5.If a horse owner other than the one who started the thread has a question relating to the ongoing discussion in the thread between the original poster and the farriers, that is fine. Post the question. But keep it to just asking a question. If the farriers include the question(s) in the discussion, then the additional horse owner may participate in the discussion. But again, not in the capacity of offering responses/advice to the original horse owner who started the thread.

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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 07:48 #18

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i dont see a problem , some owners posts and threads seem more educated than some alleged "farriers " responses over the years . i think the admin folk would have a very difficult time sorting out who is a farrier and who is not , they can only take the posters word for it
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 17:02 #19

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Travis Morgan wrote:
It seems that the general public are kinda like illegal immigrants. You let a few pass because they want one thing, and the next thing ya know, you're surrounded. They use up or ruin your resources, and the neighbors you used to enjoy have gotten disgusted and left.
Wait, You're comparing horse owners on this site, correctly, properly using the section of the site dedicated to them, to illegal immigrants?? ROTFLMFAO!! That loop your swinging isd mighty large and seems to be catching the wrong 'critters' Most all of them have legitimate concerns and questions and I hope they start posting on a more regular basis.
This place ain't nearly as active as it used to be,.....
And that's a shame! Hopefully folks will get the new site/system sorted out and get active again.
and that would certainly be the death knell for this being an actual horseshoeing forum.
Really? Why?

Personally, I'd like to thank the owners who have stayed with us and active. Their questions and concerns and how the participating farriers respond/reply can and usually does make for fascinating reading and a great learning experience.
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 17:04 #20

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seminolewind wrote:
Just to clarify, this request is for one small category to be added to the "owners" area, not the "farrier only" area.
I think its a capital idea and worth the time and effort to give it a try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained......
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 17:38 #21

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Rick Burten wrote:
Travis Morgan wrote:
It seems that the general public are kinda like illegal immigrants. You let a few pass because they want one thing, and the next thing ya know, you're surrounded. They use up or ruin your resources, and the neighbors you used to enjoy have gotten disgusted and left.
Wait, You're comparing horse owners on this site, correctly, properly using the section of the site dedicated to them, to illegal immigrants?? ROTFLMFAO!! That loop your swinging isd mighty large and seems to be catching the wrong 'critters' Most all of them have legitimate concerns and questions and I hope they start posting on a more regular basis.

That didn't come out as clear as it should have. I'm comparing the result, not the people.
and that would certainly be the death knell for this being an actual horseshoeing forum.
? Why?
Because it's just gonna get polluted with the same kinda crap as all the other forums. A bunch of bored people who rarely actually DO anything with horses, who insist on crapping on everyone else.
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 18:44 #22

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Travis Morgan wrote:
That didn't come out as clear as it should have. I'm comparing the result, not the people.
Fair enough. But that has not been a real problem here. At least not on the horse owners side of the forums.
and that would certainly be the death knell for this being an actual horseshoeing forum.
? Why?
Because it's just gonna get polluted with the same kinda crap as all the other forums. A bunch of bored people who rarely actually DO anything with horses, who insist on crapping on everyone else.
I think that is incorrect. Its pretty tightly controlled here though at one time, it did get somewhat out of control. That problem was addressed and since then, things have been and remain civilized for the most part. When Baron tightened things up, we lost several people who didn't want to play by the rules. Some left of their own accord, others were banned either permanently or for various periods of time. It is true that some of those folks had quite a following that seems to have either left with them, or retreated to the shadows, but overall, based on private comments, the forums are the better for it. Some exceptions noted. The transition to the new forums has caused some angst and anguish and cost us some well respected regular posters and I sincerely hope that the situation is temporary and that they return. Their contributions have been invaluable and their presence is sorely missed. At least by me......
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 19:13 #23

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All I wanted is an area where owners can have a friendly relationship with farriers that is more than just owners treating them like they are only good enough to offer advice.Nothing more. Some of us owners would like to have the opportunity to be more than just "help me" people. And not in a negative way-it's against the rules. And to comment about posts in the "farrier-only" area- without the comments being IN the farrier area.

Those farriers who have degrading replies-it's against the rules, and I don't see Steve acting accordingly on those rules.

Steve, I don't know if "my idea deserves consideration" cuts it. It should have been "good idea for making this a friendlier site. Let's do it"

Rule #5 treats owners poorly and should be rewritten in a more positive way. But some may think it's not worth the effort, so far it hasn't been worth the effort.

It's supposed to be okay for farriers to differ in their advice about how to help people. Patty and Gwen were always here, and active members-with different opinions, which is allowed. So why are they gone? I have an idea why now.

Rick Burten, Chris, Red, and a whole bunch of others that have always treated owners well-I have always appreciated reading your posts, and have looked forward to your advice to others and me.

I think I'm going to take a break from this forum, and see what changes here before I come back as an active member. Thankyou for all the major help with my horse's footsies.
Karen Fletcher
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 19 Mar 2012 19:41 #24

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FYI, I'm rewriting/clarifying the forum rules, I was working on them today and plan to re-look at the overall structure of the forum also. Should be done and posted this week.
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 20 Mar 2012 01:32 #25

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seminolewind wrote:
All I wanted is an area where owners can have a friendly relationship with farriers that is more than just owners treating them like they are only good enough to offer advice.Nothing more. Some of us owners would like to have the opportunity to be more than just "help me" people. And not in a negative way-it's against the rules. And to comment about posts in the "farrier-only" area- without the comments being IN the farrier area.

Those farriers who have degrading replies-it's against the rules, and I don't see Steve acting accordingly on those rules.

Steve, I don't know if "my idea deserves consideration" cuts it. It should have been "good idea for making this a friendlier site. Let's do it"

Rule #5 treats owners poorly and should be rewritten in a more positive way. But some may think it's not worth the effort, so far it hasn't been worth the effort.

It's supposed to be okay for farriers to differ in their advice about how to help people. Patty and Gwen were always here, and active members-with different opinions, which is allowed. So why are they gone? I have an idea why now.

Rick Burten, Chris, Red, and a whole bunch of others that have always treated owners well-I have always appreciated reading your posts, and have looked forward to your advice to others and me.

I think I'm going to take a break from this forum, and see what changes here before I come back as an active member. Thankyou for all the major help with my horse's footsies.

Like I said; now they start crying and demanding "rights."
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 20 Mar 2012 11:26 #26

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Karen,

Over the few years I've been on here, there have been times of more and less leniency for non-farriers posting in the farriers helping horseowners section. However, it seems to me that the crackdowns come from non-farriers posting advice in those threads.

From my memory, the types of posts that you want to post have always been acceptable in the farriers helping horseowner sections. I'd say, as long as non-farriers refrain from attempting to advise horseowners; those non-farriers should be within the posting regulations.

JMO
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 20 Mar 2012 11:40 #27

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Karen,

Over the few years I've been on here, there have been times of more and less leniency for non-farriers posting in the farriers helping horseowners section. However, it seems to me that the crackdowns come from non-farriers posting advice in those threads.

From my memory, the types of posts that you want to post have always been acceptable in the farriers helping horseowner sections. I'd say, as long as non-farriers refrain from attempting to advise horseowners; those non-farriers should be within the posting regulations.

JMO
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That's the way I see it too. I think "rule 5" lays it out that way as well.

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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 20 Mar 2012 18:36 #28

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All I wanted is an area where owners can have a friendly relationship with farriers that is more than just owners treating them like they are only good enough to offer advice.Nothing more. Some of us owners would like to have the opportunity to be more than just "help me" people. And not in a negative way-it's against the rules. And to comment about posts in the "farrier-only" area- without the comments being IN the farrier area. Maybe ask about their trade. Maybe pick their brain about an article.

I don't see any mention of asking for advice privledges here. A Farrier forum is not the place.

If I said half the things that Travis has, I'd be banned. I'm a senior member! That's a double standard.

Dealers pay for advertising here-based on membership #'s. Are owners called members just to boost those numbers and nothing more?

The WAY rule #5 is written $ucks. It means that non-farriers are ONLY allowed to ask questions about the hooves discussed, and only the hoof. That is a very narrow area. This is preventing a very big opportunity for learning.

Anyway, I very much thank and appreciate the farriers here that don't suffer from "Little Man Syndrome." You are truly professional in every sense of the work.
Karen Fletcher
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 20 Mar 2012 20:10 #29

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@Seminolewind-

The rules have been reviewed, and will be updated shortly. There was a mean storm in Steve's area last night, and today they are cleaning up. I believe the forum will be restructured in the near future too, but don't quote me on that, I'm just the help.
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Re: Farriers Farriers and Owners 20 Mar 2012 22:59 #30

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seminolewind wrote:
All I wanted is an area where owners can have a friendly relationship with farriers that is more than just owners treating them like they are only good enough to offer advice.Nothing more. Some of us owners would like to have the opportunity to be more than just "help me" people. And not in a negative way-it's against the rules. And to comment about posts in the "farrier-only" area- without the comments being IN the farrier area. Maybe ask about their trade. Maybe pick their brain about an article.

I don't see any mention of asking for advice privledges here. A Farrier forum is not the place.

If I said half the things that Travis has, I'd be banned. I'm a senior member! That's a double standard.
You're not a farrier. This is a farrier forum. We come here for professional advice. This is a professional resource, for the most part.
Dealers pay for advertising here-based on membership #'s. Are owners called members just to boost those numbers and nothing more?
Those advertisers sell horseshoeing supplies. How many shoes, nippers, rasps, etc. do you really buy? I doubt they would suffer much if you boycotted them.
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