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TOPIC: Central Ontario Farrier Apprenticeship Program

Central Ontario Farrier Apprenticeship Program 14 Mar 2013 13:56 #16

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Bennettfarrierservice wrote:
Dude, I love every part of my career! I find it challenging and I'm learning every day. I'll never stop learning.
I am VERY successful! Think twice before you judge...
As for the school, it is something that there is a need for.
Well it appears that there is nothing to stop anyone from filling that need. All anybody has to do is exactly what you have done - put up a web site and say they are running a farrier training course. And for the cost of dues, they can get themselves "accredited" without ever having to take a test to prove that they can shoe a horse.

Why should anybody sign up for YOUR SCHOOL. ANYBODY can BUY the exact same "accreditation" you have and claim the exact same QUALIFICATIONS.
And as for the AAPF the people that started that are the leaders of our industry,
That is past tense. The only thing they are leading now is lowering the value of their own qualifications. Imagine a group of Doctors that decide they will give accreditation to anyone who says they are a Doctor even if they never went to medical school. All ya gotta do is say you're a doctor with a few years of experience. No tests to pass, just sing here and pay your dues.
there was a lot that went into it,
Apparently it takes a lot of planning to sell something with absolutely NO SUBSTANCE.
and that also has a strong place in the farrier world.
Just because a bunch of suckers have signed up for it doesn't mean it is a good thing.
The AAPF's member list has grown at a crazy rate and despite what you think about it, it is a big deal.
Indeed it is a big deal. Now anybody including the most incompetent hack no account horse laming person that wants to be an "accredited farrier" can get a "professional endorsement" from the "leadership" just pay the dues.
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Central Ontario Farrier Apprenticeship Program 14 Mar 2013 19:06 #17

Tom,

irregardless of the value of the "accreditation", you know as well as I that in addition to the dues, they have to maintain the CE credits every year, Just for the record. This was a weak spot in all other "accreditation" that I'm aware of. Disclaimer: I am not a member of the AAPF.

Apart from that, I'm with you on the value of the "Apprenticeship Program", as presented.

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Central Ontario Farrier Apprenticeship Program 15 Mar 2013 16:02 #18

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Western Hill Forge wrote:
Tom,

irregardless of the value of the "accreditation", you know as well as I that in addition to the dues, they have to maintain the CE credits every year, Just for the record. This was a weak spot in all other "accreditation" that I'm aware of. Disclaimer: I am not a member of the AAPF..
Well there's a little more to it than that. Any educational venue for farriers must submit a "request for approval" for CE accreditation. A brilliant political move on their part. In effect, they have made all farrier education programs subservient to their approval.

The AFA board of directors caved in and kissed the AAPF's ass to get the convention "approved." As far as I'm concerned that is the same thing as an official endorsement by the AFA in addition to being an official acknowledgement of AFA subservience to the AAPF.
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Central Ontario Farrier Apprenticeship Program 17 Mar 2013 15:14 #19

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Western Hill Forge wrote:
Tom,

irregardless of the value of the "accreditation", you know as well as I that in addition to the dues, they have to maintain the CE credits every year,..
I am all for CE and I get it year in and year out. That said, how many times have those of us who attend conferences, clinics, whatever, seen others, or been guilty ourselves, of not being "in the room" during a lecture? Is that really, continuing education? And, for those that do attend every session, why do they need an organization to give them an 'atta boy', a pat on the back, and some phony letters to put after their name? I get what that organization is trying to do but the way they are going about it is , IMO a discredit rather than a credit to our industry. And, lets be honest. The two credentials available for purchase from the AAPF are AF(accredited farrier) and APF(Accredited Professional Farrier). Accredited by whom? Why by a one year old +/- organization with, as yet, no real credibility of its own. :ohmy: What a bunch of crap. If an individual already has a credential that they haveearned why in the hell do they want or need a credential that they can, with no effort expended, buy? Personally, I would be embarrassed and would find it humiliating to add that nomenclature after my name. Maybe if the credential was ACE(achieves continuing education) or the like, I would find it palatable.
After all, the literature from the organization states "Our primary focus is Continuing Education for all professionals in our industry. We encourage professional farriers to attend clinics, seminars, contests, and other educational events to enhance their profession."

Then they go and shoot themselves in the foot when they say "The American Association of Professional Farriers is a trade association for farriers and veterinarians interested in equine podiatry. We also encourage suppliers, manufacturers, and service providers for the farrier industry to become members."

Are they somehow unaware that there is no recognized field in the industry called "equine podiatry'? For if there were, there would be a legitimate credential named "EP"(Equine podiatrist"). Now, I know there are some folks out there calling themselves "Equine Podiatrist" or AEP(Applied Equine Podiatrist) or some other nonsense, but in reality, that is just a figment of their imagination and bit of prestidigitation on their part. In general, all of this, the AAPF and their AFs and APFs, the EPs, the AEPs lend even more credence to the observation and fact that for the most part there are no longer very many true horsemen/women who coincidentally own horses. Rather, they have been supplanted by horse owners who, on the best day of their lives, wouldn't make a pimple on a horseman's butt.
Just for the record. This was a weak spot in all other "accreditation" that I'm aware of.
CE efforts were attempted by other organizations(AFA, etc). They failed because since standing for the credentialing process is voluntary, when CE requirements were made mandatory, folks just said, in effect, 'if that's a requirement then I just won't stand for the certification process. And, even when it was undertaken, it became nigh onto impossible to verify, let alone, enforce. To that end, I have yet to hear how the AAPF is going to enforce the requirement for yearly CE to maintain one's credential. ie once the credential is issued, if the requirements are not met yearly, how is the organization going to withdraw the credential? Maybe they'll send the 'offender' a letter telling him/her that the credential is withdrawn and for said individual to 'cease and desist' using it. Wanna guess how many will remove the credential from after their name? But, if you want a cheap, means nothing bunch of letters after your name, for $25.00, I'll print you up a fancy certificate, suitable for framing, proclaiming you a RSFW(Real Special Farrier Wannabe). Its a one time fee, good for your lifetime. For the same money, if you already hold a valid, earned credential from a recognized national farrier association, you'll be able to add TSS (Terminally Stable Stoopid(sic)) to your moniker. :)
Disclaimer: I am not a member of the AAPF.
Now, that's not only impressive, but smart, too. :)
Apart from that, I'm with you on the value of the "Apprenticeship Program", as presented.
Great minds think alike.....

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Central Ontario Farrier Apprenticeship Program 17 Mar 2013 15:26 #20

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tbloomer wrote:
Western Hill Forge wrote:
Well there's a little more to it than that. Any educational venue for farriers must submit a "request for approval" for CE accreditation. A brilliant political move on their part. In effect, they have made all farrier education programs subservient to their approval.
Imagine the outcome if all the farrier education programs refused to/chose not to seek approval from the AAPF.
The AFA board of directors caved in and kissed the AAPF's ass to get the convention "approved." As far as I'm concerned that is the same thing as an official endorsement by the AFA in addition to being an official acknowledgement of AFA subservience to the AAPF.
I agree. And so did the IHCS and other 'lesser venues'. My feeling on the "why's" of why the AFA, etal caved in have nothing to do with actually caring whether the AAPF approves of their program, but everything to do with money and fear. ie: if we don't get their 'blessing', maybe folks won't show up and that would hurt the 'bottom line'. So, since it's no sweat off our testes, we'll go ahead and get their approval... What's going to be interesting and entertaining is to watch what happens when an request for approval is submitted and subsequently denied until and unless the venue uses certain speakers, and includes only specified(by the AAPF) topics and perhaps, even holds the event only at a time and date that is dictated by the AAPF. Hell, down the road, perhaps we'll see an unholy marriage between AAPF and AFEC. :ohmy: :(
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