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Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 07:07 #1

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Hey all!

I am almost finished with my farrier science (A.S.) degree and to finish it I need to apprentice under a farrier.
Now I tried a thread on here before...and that didn't go to well.

So what I'm wondering is how you students / already established farriers found your apprenticeships?
My current farrier teachers at school all said that basically they were at the right place at the right time or that they showed up to barns or boarding facilities and basically persisted & annoyed the farrier into giving them a trial.

Well....I don't know too many farriers as it is in my hometown area (SE Michigan) or school area (SE Ohio) that I could just follow around at barns and I think that would just be a wee bit too annoying or creepy.

Last summer I tried calling up farriers I found online (AFA website and some other equine site) in my area, and emailing them - though if they didn't outright ignore me, 3 said they don't take on females because of wife issues or they just don't and then one went out to wyoming for the summer.

So what did you do? What advice would you give to people like me who are looking for apprenticeships?

- Kayla Capler
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 07:53 #2

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Ask, ask, and ask some more. The worst thing that can happen is a guy tell you no. How bad does that really hurt? Sooner or later someone will say yes.

Don't give up. Keep looking and asking.

My first apprenticeship started when I was 15 and my mom set it up for me! LoL! She came home and announced she had signed me up for indentured servant hood and I started next week. That one lasted for just shy of four years.

My second one started by way of a friend telling me about a good farrier they knew and suggesting I call him and see if he takes apprentices "after all what could it hurt?". So totally out of the blue I called and asked and he said yes. That one lasted right at a year.

The one I am currently in kinda fell in my lap. I got called because he needed someone to go with him to a barn and stay over night and "shoe a bunch, probably be gone two or three days". So I went and nearly died! After having me in the truck on the way out of town he asks "well are you ready to shoe 30-40 a day?". But I survived and when we got home he offered me the apprenticeship I have now.

Though I am a man so I don't have that added obstacle to work out. But don't give up, there are people out there that won't let the gender thing be an issue.

Good luck!
Shane Wood
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 10:50 #3

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Buttermaker wrote:
Ask, ask, and ask some more. The worst thing that can happen is a guy tell you no. How bad does that really hurt? Sooner or later someone will say yes.

Don't give up. Keep looking and asking.

My first apprenticeship started when I was 15 and my mom set it up for me! LoL! She came home and announced she had signed me up for indentured servant hood and I started next week. That one lasted for just shy of four years.

My second one started by way of a friend telling me about a good farrier they knew and suggesting I call him and see if he takes apprentices "after all what could it hurt?". So totally out of the blue I called and asked and he said yes. That one lasted right at a year.

The one I am currently in kinda fell in my lap. I got called because he needed someone to go with him to a barn and stay over night and "shoe a bunch, probably be gone two or three days". So I went and nearly died! After having me in the truck on the way out of town he asks "well are you ready to shoe 30-40 a day?". But I survived and when we got home he offered me the apprenticeship I have now.

Though I am a man so I don't have that added obstacle to work out. But don't give up, there are people out there that won't let the gender thing be an issue.

Good luck!


How many Apprenticeships are you going to go through and why so many?
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 14:39 #4

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Iknow this might sound sick, but, ask around if any of the local farriers are injured (off work) or working hurt.
40 yrs ago, I apprentised with a guy who broke both of his legs in a truck accident(driving drunk). The day he came home from the hospital, I went to his home with this offer "I'll be the grunt and you be the brains and we'll keep your customers/income going." Shoeing in the 60s & 70s was very cut throat and Mr Bob knew that without me he was going to lose it all. It lasted almost 2 yrs; he sobered up but never shod another horse himself.
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 18:17 #5

DwnRvrPony wrote:
So what did you do? What advice would you give to people like me who are looking for apprenticeships?
- Kayla Capler

When looking online for an apprenticeship one might note their location. If someone on here is willing to help they wont speak up as they wont know you are near them.
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 18:29 #6

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Dances with Hooves wrote:
DwnRvrPony wrote:
So what did you do? What advice would you give to people like me who are looking for apprenticeships?
- Kayla Capler

When looking online for an apprenticeship one might note their location. If someone on here is willing to help they wont speak up as they wont know you are near them.

Oh sorry! My hometown is the downriver area of south east michigan - and I'm now in south east - athens area of ohio for school. I know this might seem much, but I'm trying to give myself a wider berth of area / chances to find an apprenticeship. I'm willing to travel farther... though on certain circumstances.
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 12 Feb 2012 19:53 #7

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smitty88 wrote:
How many Apprenticeships are you going to go through and why so many?

Well the first gave me a basic education. Mostly reining horses, rope horses, and barrel racing horses. I didn't get much exposure to any other types of disciplines. The second focused on halter horses, jumpers, dressage, and a little corrective. The one I am in now has lots of corrective focus, with some saddlebreds, and a little bit of all the other disciplines mixed in there.

As far as how many will I go through...I don't know. I know that the more I learn the more there is to learn. The industry changes, new ideas surface and resurface, everyone has a different take on how a horse should be shod. I believe you can learn something from everyone, even if it's simply how not to do something. I figure the more I know, the more versatile I am, the more ways to shoe a horse I learn the better chance I have to be able to service every single person that calls me. My goal is to gain as much knowledge about the trade as I can. There is no better way than working side by side with someone.
Shane Wood
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 13 Feb 2012 00:42 #8

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Depending on where you live, a formal apprenticeship can be tricky because of the fiduciary arrangement it implies. There are issues with pay, tax withholding, Workman's Comp., overtime, etc.And, the farrier you apprentice with will have to make sure his liability, et al insurance is set up to cover employees, which is what an apprentice is.
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 13 Feb 2012 03:19 #9

How many Apprenticeships are you going to go through and why so many?[/quote]

Smitty

Every time I want to learn something new I go work with someone that can teach me.

My first, I learned to trim and shoe (whack and tack Cowboy shoer). "should have went to school"

The second Guy I worked for, More of the same.

The Third, wasn't really a full time deal, I went out with him a day or two a week, just to get under more horse, He is the one that instilled the value of continuing education.

The Fourth, I took to gain more exposure to therapeutic work.

I would like to shoe more Drafts and Gated Horses, so if the right opportunity arises, I would work another.

So I would say work as many as it takes to learn what you want to know.
Jason RoTramel
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Shut up and get it done!
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 13 Feb 2012 07:10 #10

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What a mess to be in
would you not just go and find a propper farrier
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 13 Feb 2012 15:28 #11

Easier said than done, here.
Jason RoTramel
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Shut up and get it done!
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Finding an apprenticeship 13 Feb 2012 16:02 #12

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John, farrier schools pop out students every month here in the states.
Some very good schools have added advance courses and two year courses to help teach beyond the basic introductory skills one normally learns.
Rick in his post gave reasons why most don't accept apprentices in private practices.
The many Farriers don 't have enough business to support an apprentice and many Farriers can't,don't have teaching experience, and many just point blank don't want to take on an apprentice.
Personality,aptitude,and desire to learn,along with sticking out the time it learns to be proficient,
Are among many of the reasons Farriers who are willing to teach get a sour taste
The few who have apprentices can add as to what they and why they have taken apprentices and made a success of it on both ends
My 2cents worth (wink)


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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 14 Feb 2012 00:55 #13

I may have found the problem. I went to the curriculum tab for your program at the hocking college website (www.hocking.edu/programs/farrier). I bet others considering having you join them went too. Reading the website it appears that subtracting the hours spent wilderness riding, leathercraft, microsoft office etc from the intensive 79 hour curriculum that less than a 40 hour work week is spent on anything having to do with actually shoeing a horse.

My new apprentice is a young lady age 20 and has just completed her 1st day of her 2nd week with me and I bet counting time spent under horses being coached by me and helping me and discussing the farrier business while driving around that we have exceeded the curriculum hours at hocking. And we are barely starting week 2 of her apprenticeship.

At least as described in the curriculum portion of the website the program is underwhelming.
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 14 Feb 2012 03:07 #14

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Dances with Hooves wrote:
I may have found the problem. I went to the curriculum tab for your program at the hocking college website (www.hocking.edu/programs/farrier). I bet others considering having you join them went too. Reading the website it appears that subtracting the hours spent wilderness riding, leathercraft, microsoft office etc from the intensive 79 hour curriculum that less than a 40 hour work week is spent on anything having to do with actually shoeing a horse.

My new apprentice is a young lady age 20 and has just completed her 1st day of her 2nd week with me and I bet counting time spent under horses being coached by me and helping me and discussing the farrier business while driving around that we have exceeded the curriculum hours at hocking. And we are barely starting week 2 of her apprenticeship.

At least as described in the curriculum portion of the website the program is underwhelming.

I'm confused as to who to are speaking to with this post - to me?

That my problem is that I went to this school and that's why I can find someone to apprentice under? :huh:

Others having join me?

Aside from the fact that 79 credit hours =/= actual hours (that curriculum is actually new as the school is changing to semester from quarters next year, it's not the one I started under) it's actually a college degree and under NCAA standards they have to add other classes to make it worthy to be considered a degree - the office/algebra/communication classes. The equine nutrition/confirmation type classes is added in for benefit to the students, and since it's also farrier science and Business - they have business classes.

No we don't get as many hours under a horse a week as I'd like, but they're doing the bast they can. When you only have a herd of some 40+ horses and usually 3-5 shoeing classes with 8-12 people in them at a time, even if they only get one horse per shoeing class...The instructors even bring in their own horses, but it doesn't give us that much more time.
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Re: Finding an apprenticeship 14 Feb 2012 11:28 #15

I was not commenting on what you have actually learned. Rather on what it "appears" is taught by the language on the curriculum. Its been a long time since my college days (I am 51) and the early 80's at Tufts we earned credits not hours. Classes met for 3 or 4 hours a week and you had to get a certain number of credits to earn a degree.

Perhaps at Hocking they are using the term hours in a different way than commonly used. For example Horseshoeing I II and III added togeather has 9 Credit hours which you have stated are not the same as actual hours spent in class and under a horse. The Class hours are 6 and the lab hours are 9 which leads one to infer that the actual hours spent on the topic of shoeing a horse are 15. To this one might add in the 4 class hours on forging and the 6 lab hours on forging for another 10 (different from the 6 credit hours for this topic). Add the horse handling 2 class hours 5 lab for another 7 (again only 3 credit hours here but looks like 7 actual). Giving a total of 32 hours spent total on training the candidate on stuff that might help them be a good apprentice for me.

I don't discount that the leathercraft and wilderness riding and focus on success and CPR and business classes are going to be helpfull for you in your future endeavors. But the curricula gives the impression that if I was to hire a graduate of hocking to help I am going to have a lot of training to do and am bringing on a pretty green person.

I actually already have a "green" apprentice and at this point in time am looking for someone to join her and I for a while following an upcoming hip replacement that I need to have done. And have housing here for interns. I would absolutely consider someone who has just graduated from a school who I believe can pull clinch and nail without supervision who wants to learn real world stuff and has an interest in adding knowledge of Natural Balance to their bag of tricks as we do NB shoeing trimming here (www.NBhoofcare.com). But I do not find the hocking curricula inspiring.

So don't get mad just tell me how I am misinterpreting the schools curricula. I am only trying to be helpful and being honest and sharing my reactions to the schools published online materials. Nowday's every employer looks online at lots of stuff and you need to consider how the hocking website will help or hinder you in your efforts to sell yourself to farriers seeking help. I am not at all trying to be mean I only want to help you. Before reinventing myself as a farrier in 2000 I spent 18 years in sales marketing for software companies did lots of hiring as i moved thru the ranks to VP of sales/marketing and I perceive a possible issue.
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