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Reading radiographs 15 Mar 2010 14:37 #1

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Hello All,
I would like to get more proficient at reading radiographs. I don't see many right now, but I would like to be sure that in future I understand exactly what I am looking at. I was thinking maybe different types (with interpretation) could be posted ie. Rotation/pedal osteitis/broken coffin bone/ring bone etc..... I have searched the forum a bit; I couldn't find a thread about reading them. If there is something like this that has already been covered, could you point me in the right direction. I have found some that include rads and interpretations of them. That has been very helpful. But since I am un experience in reading radiographs, sometimes I am not sure that I am seeing exactly what is being discussed. :-) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,



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RE:Reading radiographs 15 Mar 2010 17:55 #2

You may want to start out by reading posts. Forget about the small details that may or may not be visible on a rad for the moment. Focus on the bones, their relative position to each other and their function.

Get out you textbook on anatomy and compare. There are a lot of rads posted already with just about any problem you can think of. The search button is perhaps a little limited but is a help none the less.


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p.s. First lesson, compare this foot to your textbook and identify all bones, as in each and everyone.........
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RE:Reading radiographs 15 Mar 2010 20:49 #3

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Adams Lameness in Horses 5th edition has a lot of radiographs illustrating various views of limb anatomy. Sometimes you can find it on-line at used college textbook store.

I got mine in 2002 for $110.00 US but the price has gone up quite a bit. Might have to shop around for it to beat that deal now.
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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 01:36 #4

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Thanks Tom, I looked it up and found it for $110 plus shipping. Also my local library has it in their reference section, but it sounds like a good book to have handy.

Ok Ron, I am going to give this a shot: (I don't know how to mark on the rad or I would do that)
from to top bottom:

cannon bone
sesmoid bone
fetlock joint
long pastern (P1)
pastern joint
short pastern (P2)
coffin joint
navicular bone
coffin bone (P3)

I am afraid that I am wrong, simply because of the angle of the rad. It looks to me as though the foot is pointing staight down? But I could be completely missing something (or everything) :o That was a great excercise. I will keep searching older posts!! :) Thanks for the input!


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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 04:52 #5

Good try! But navicular bone? As in distal sesamoid bone? Are you sure? Wait, lemme put up the right foot for comparison!

Basically for us shoers and for everybody else for that matter reading radiographs is nothing more than checking it against how it should be and interpreting the differences. Basically all you need is a set of (or at least one :rolleyes:) eyes. If you go through all the rads on this site the same way you'll get the hang of it. :D


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p.s. for an added bonus you might have noticed this is a very young horse since the growthplates have not yet closed.
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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 12:29 #6

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Ron,

What's up with that poor thing's left foot? No navicular apparent, and the coffin bone looks . . . kinda squashed.
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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 12:35 #7

Elizabeth81

Check out James Rooneys "The Lame Horse". Not as comprehensive as "Adams" but friendlier and cheaper with lots of good pictures and explanations.

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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 13:24 #8

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Good try! But navicular bone? As in distal sesamoid bone? Are you sure?
Ron,

It does appear to me that there is a 'pea sized' representation of the distal sesamoid present. Is this baby still vertical or is it pushing up daisys?
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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 16:29 #9

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I have a cadaver leg somewhere of a foal I raised in the '80's without navicular bones in either left leg. The distal end of P-2 was also small and undeveloped and you could move the foot perhaps a 1/4 inch medial/laterally in relation to P-2. I thought perhaps a wide bar shoe would stabilize her and allow some development of compensatory structures. It worked for a while, but at about three months it was obvious that she was growing and getting heavier faster than any compensation was working and we put her down.
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RE:Reading radiographs 16 Mar 2010 18:49 #10

Rick Burten wrote:
Ron,

It does appear to me that there is a 'pea sized' representation of the distal sesamoid present. Is this baby still vertical or is it pushing up daisys?


I'm not sure what happened to the baby, but I would not be surprised if it found itself in some dog's bowl.....


Ronald Aalders

p.s. Here's the skyline view. Not much of a distal sesmoid, not even pea sized, form this angle.
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RE:Reading radiographs 17 Mar 2010 11:08 #11

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Thanks Ron, after looking at the R I see how the complete lack of navicular bone is very obvious. :o I did see the growth plates, wasn't positive that's what they were, but I did see them and think growth plates. I was wondering about the coffin bone as well, I thought maybe it was me or the rad but it looked quite mis shapen. This is a good excersize I will continue with other rads I can fiind. Thank you for taking the time to teach.

Rick, thank you for the recomendation, I will look for it. :) Maybe that is a book I can get right now while saving for Adams' :D


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RE:Reading radiographs 24 Jul 2010 02:07 #12

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
You may want to start out by reading posts. Forget about the small details that may or may not be visible on a rad for the moment. Focus on the bones, their relative position to each other and their function.

Get out you textbook on anatomy and compare. There are a lot of rads posted already with just about any problem you can think of. The search button is perhaps a little limited but is a help none the less.


Ronald Aalders

p.s. First lesson, compare this foot to your textbook and identify all bones, as in each and everyone.........

Oh I am so stealing that rad!!
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