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RE:Reading the hoof. 18 Feb 2010 14:59 #16

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Pasture pet, Acute founder 4-5 months old. (likely grass founder) Died at the hands of a BUA.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 18 Feb 2010 23:07 #17

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Joey Aczon wrote:
Pasture pet, Acute founder 4-5 months old. (likely grass founder) Died at the hands of a BUA.

Heh heh heh...can't have died by BUA, it still has HOOF MASS!!!!!!!!!:D:D

But, I do agree with a laminitis attack 4 or so months ago.

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RE:Reading the hoof. 18 Feb 2010 23:52 #18

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Keep it coming, I'll give you more info tomorrow. Wish more people would participate
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RE:Reading the hoof. 19 Feb 2010 02:41 #19

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i think i know what the inside of the black foot looks like.

Yeah I think I would be cheating if I played along.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 19 Feb 2010 03:28 #20

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Yeah I think I would be cheating if I played along.

Alicia, Were you in the bar at the Hilton?? ;) We still haven't caught up yet.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 19 Feb 2010 19:23 #21

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Massive abscess with bone degeneration /rotation of p3....
Or they died for the glory of modern science:p
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RE:Reading the hoof. 19 Feb 2010 20:29 #22

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So if you turned this foot over and looked at the bottom, what do you think about the collateral groove depth? It's hard to see but there is a lot of depth at the apex of the frog. Does this mean the pedal bone is seated high up in the capsule? Is there rotation?

What about the material in front of the apex of the frog? I've circled it incase it doesn't stick out as well in the photos?

Does any of this mean anything to you?

How would you trim this foot? Lets keep it bare for now.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 19 Feb 2010 21:20 #23

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irishcas wrote:
So if you turned this foot over and looked at the bottom, what do you think about the collateral groove depth? It's hard to see but there is a lot of depth at the apex of the frog. Does this mean the pedal bone is seated high up in the capsule? Is there rotation?

What about the material in front of the apex of the frog? I've circled it incase it doesn't stick out as well in the photos?

Does any of this mean anything to you?

How would you trim this foot? Lets keep it bare for now.

I think the sole is shrunk up from the drying process and that's the last little bit holding on, but no, I probalby wouldn't touch the sole.

My guess is this horse had constant low grade laminitis then 2 acute severe bouts. The first one probably rotated +/-7° that caused owners to regulate diet, then the horse got better after about 4-5 months. (hence the smooth wall) And then thinking he was better they turned "fluffy" back out and he is now pointing straight at the sole... and dead of course.

I make my guess having seen it more than once.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 19 Feb 2010 21:32 #24

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Okay I have to go feed the herd and do some other stuff when I get back I'll put up the inside of the black foot.

Joey, you are smarter than I thought.... No offense, I was judging it all based on those dirty bare feet :D :D hahahahahhahahahahaa
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RE:Reading the hoof. 20 Feb 2010 03:01 #25

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If I had to leave the horse bare, I would rocker the breakover back to almost a fourpoint trim style trying to leave as much dorsal wall as I could but still take the shear force off the toe, and ease tension on DDFT.

Bring heels back to more appropriate length and trim bars and frog properly.

with that being said, horse needs mechanical device other than trimming.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 20 Feb 2010 12:29 #26

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Here is the inside.

I probably would have trimmed that frog a bit too, but after seeing the inside I realize it was put down as emergency support and trimming it would not have helped the horse.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but why do you (Chad) feel that you need to apply something extra to the bottom of the foot. What would you use and why?
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RE:Reading the hoof. 20 Feb 2010 14:55 #27

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"Well geez, we always knew he was 'ouchy' but we never knew that it could destroy the bones! Our trimmer always said he'd get over it, we never thought anything was wrong until he foundered."

Hey I was pretty close, I just missed the necrosis. :D That's a pretty good specimen, it even shows the abcess tracks.

ETA: Is it just me or does this one have some navicular problems as well as a ruptured impar ligament?
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RE:Reading the hoof. 21 Feb 2010 01:25 #28

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Kim, from looking at the pics of the sole, before you showed the inside, I would have wanted something like a shoe and leather rim pad. I have always had a hard time keeping horses like this with a decent foot bare.


I would think that the stretching of the whitline would throw up a red flag to most. I knew there was probably alot wrong with the inside of that foot by the way yall were talking about it, but I sure ain't gonna pretend I predicted that. Joey what made you decide the horse had a recent bout of laminits? The kink in the dorsal wall didn't look that bad to me, and I'm sure I have played some of these off just as a long underrun foot.

Kim you are right, I sure woulda got to aggressive with that frog, cause to me it just look a little neglected, I guess pretty ain't always the best, thanks for sharing this.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 21 Feb 2010 02:48 #29

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chad rice wrote:
Joey what made you decide the horse had a recent bout of laminits? The kink in the dorsal wall didn't look that bad to me, and I'm sure I have played some of these off just as a long underrun foot.

Tubules changing their direction of growth indicate reorientation of bone. (or rather the reorientation of bone causes direction of growth to change) IMO abrupt changes and sudden (*kinked*) increase in angle of growth indicate laminar failure. This degree of change is usually pretty consistant with about 7° of rotation IME.

Also, look at the angle of the wall in the heels, the most recent growth is exaggerated at the heels with the wall almost vertical at the hairline.

There are actually lots of clues, even the shape of the sole at the whiteline compared to the wall indicates changes in the capsule. (although I didn't mention that one because I think it's more to do with the drying process in this case.)

The first time I ever found blood with a knife was on a horse with a "shelf" like this around the apex of the frog. It was only a few months into my career and I honestly couldn't have recognized a laminitic horse if it kicked me in the face, thinking back now I feel that horse was also probably laminitic. In any case, I became hyper sensitive about trimming out that "shelf" around the frog and in a lot of ways prevented me from making a lot of mistakes.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 21 Feb 2010 02:51 #30

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I know that we have no history on this horse (I have my intuition on what s/he was and how s/he lived, but we can throw that out later).

So what does your "intuition" tell you about this horses life?
Joey Aczon

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