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Reading the hoof. 16 Feb 2010 14:58 #1

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So Ben has it right, I'm obsessed with anatomy and biomechanical functions of the equine hoof and in essence the entire body.

What makes a "good" farrier or trimmer? I think there are many components to that but first and foremost, is being able to read the foot. Lets leave out what protocol we would use and what shoes, if any we would apply and play a game.

I bought a hoof model from Allie Hayes while at IHCS, it took me a lonnnng time to choose the one I was going to buy, but this is the first model I put my hands on.

I know that we have no history on this horse (I have my intuition on what s/he was and how s/he lived, but we can throw that out later).

If anyone would like to have this discussion, look at the photos I've posted and tell me what is right and wrong about this foot. For now focus on the black foot.

Once everyone is ready, I'll post the inside of the capsule. I know that the model is lacking bodily fluids and a whole horse attached, but it still can be used for this purpose.

I have to go tack a shoe back on, UGH! So I'll be back in a few hours, if I don't crash off the snow laden road.

I hope a lot of people participate, even those who normally stay quiet.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 16 Feb 2010 16:18 #2

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i think i know what the inside of the black foot looks like.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 16 Feb 2010 19:34 #3

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Kim, I hope you don't feel I was picking on you or saying you are wrong. Everyone who works on horses feet should be educated in all areas concerning the feet. This is one thing the schools (lower level 2 to 8 week wonder mills) don't concentrate enough on. Yes they cover the bones and parts of the hoof inside and out and parts of the body so you can pass a recognition test at the end of the course, but they don't get in depth enough for the student to start learning how it all works together. The course is really set up to make a person good enough to be an apprentice if they put the time and effort into it, but most come out thinking they are ready to shoe world class horses and cripples they can save. There in lies the idea of better schools would make better shoers, but that's up to the school owners. So after school most guys need an apprenticeship to continue with the learning while on the job which is how this profession has worked for a long time, but it has fallen by the wayside somewhere and they just go to work without even knowing they don't know enough. Sucks, but it's true, I know from personal experience.

Now on to your foot, or part of one anyway. The shape and angles of the foot (without seeing above) seem to be ok. It has a little more heel than needed and that frog and heel bulb area seem to have excess growth that looks like tree bark instead hoof wall. The hole in the frog is a question I'd have, abcess or carved? The biggest thing I see is the multiple rings in the hoof wall which when combined with the other things I metioned would make me question if this horse had issues of reoccuring laminitis, high stress levels, major changes in feed or exercise, or pain induced problems every so often from hoof work or exercise (hoof pain or joint pain).

The horn tubules look to be pretty straight, some jamming in the quarters above the heels, again trimming the heels better would help that along with trimming the bars a bit and the walls to the proper height. I'd also find out why the periople was growing like tree bark and try to get rid of that, it just looks like a place for nasties to get a place to grow.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 16 Feb 2010 20:09 #4

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Ben,

I didn't think you were picking on me at all. I value whatever you have to say to me and will always pay attention and give it thought.

I have been wanting to do this since I got back, but haven't had a chance.

Thanks for giving me your thoughts on the hoof, hopefully more people will provide input. I'd like to hear from Mark (the guy who posted the laminitic horse) and bronc222, I promise to be gentle ;)
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RE:Reading the hoof. 16 Feb 2010 23:20 #5

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pretty cool idea Kim:)

in the lat veiw of the foot, first thing that stuck out to me was the difference in the angle of the horn tubules from the dorsal wall the heels. I'm with ben, heels are too long. Rings in the dorsal wall coming from the stretching whitline, maybe laminetic episode, maybe foot just run too far forward.

Hard for me to tell on a model, but I am guessing this foot would have a broken forward HPA unless the p1 and p2 are pretty steep, almost clubby.

There I gave it a shot. We will see.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 00:20 #6

hi kim, from the wear pattern of the hoof (light wear in the toe,and the appearance of weight bearing in the heels) i would guess the foot had a negative palmer angle.also the angle of the coronary would lead me to believe this.i hope im close.thanks for letting me play-gary
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 00:44 #7

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Trim it,give it a pat on the bum and add it to the bill.:D
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 01:41 #8

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My guess is this foot had a corn on it causing the hole in the frog and the bark look on the heels.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 01:57 #9

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bronc222 wrote:
My guess is this foot had a corn on it causing the hole in the frog and the bark look on the heels.
Clint Lomheim

Hi Clint:

What is a corn? What does it do to the foot and what do you mean the bark on the heels?

Not being b!tchy, just clarifying.

Thanks
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 01:59 #10

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Just wanted to say that I appreciate everyone adding input. I'm going to give it another day and see who else plays and then I'll give you more photos/thoughts.

Thanks, this is fun for me too :D
Kim Cassidy
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 02:04 #11

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i'd play, but i think i have already disqualified myself. :D
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 02:20 #12

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Justin:

If you know and it's why I think you know, stay quiet.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 02:31 #13

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irishcas wrote:
Hi Clint:

What is a corn? What does it do to the foot and what do you mean the bark on the heels?

Not being b!tchy, just clarifying.

Thanks

a corn ussally starts as a bruise it happens between the heels and the bars . it is caused by un equal pressure or concussion . corn can be started from an abcess wich i think there was in the frog at one time the bark stuff i am talking about is the flaky material between the bulbs and the frog . corns can be fixed with propper shoeing .
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 02:41 #14

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Heel looks to be tall and contracted, bet the nav. area wasn't happy. Could just be my whacky vision but the "hole" looks to me like the central sulcus and the foot wasn't split even (disclamer:could just be my tired eyes!).

Dont expect there to be much if any rotation, but looks like chronic low grade laminitis could have caused the rings, if it wasn't environment. Looks like it should have adequite sole depth as well but that should be expected with a horse that is tall everywhere.

Not sure what you were looking for so I tried to hit everything.
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RE:Reading the hoof. 17 Feb 2010 04:38 #15

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Could be coronitis, a lesser strain of pemphigus.
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