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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 12:14 #16

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Ronald,

the differences can be explained in where are the heels?, "numero uno"
"no heels, no horse"

where is breakover?

,is the horse balanced?

how free are the shoulders, and is the engine in the rear? length, angles also play a part

these race horse shoers often deal with such issues, including assemetricial symetery differences in regards to leg lenghts/sideness/ and other issues

no horse is perfect, as for Dressage it is refered to as "overstride"

"conditioning" also plays a part as in any athlete

it is as you have said before:

it is a team effort;)


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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 12:32 #17

I like olin balch's work and enjoy hearing him speak on stride legnth. Here is a link to the slides from his most recent lecture.

www.soundhorseconference.com/pdf/Balch.pdf
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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 12:51 #18

cynthia-jay wrote:
Ronald,

the differences can be explained in where are the heels?, "numero uno"
"no heels, no horse"

where is breakover?

,is the horse balanced?

how free are the shoulders, and is the engine in the rear? length, angles also play a part

these race horse shoers often deal with such issues, including assemetricial symetery differences in regards to leg lenghts/sideness/ and other issues

no horse is perfect, as for Dressage it is refered to as "overstride"

"conditioning" also plays a part as in any athlete

it is as you have said before:

it is a team effort;)


Love ya Jac-mac, glad to have ya back mate:D

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You may find it's a tad more complicated than that. Work your way through Equine Locomotion and you'll know why. It's too complicated for me to memorize anyway :rolleyes:


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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 13:12 #19

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Maybe in explaining it may become difficult

I am also familiar with Hilary Clayton's work, as well as those before her

pick this gal apart if you would like an example

it is poor quality video

you get the idea

what also keeps this horse out of the really high caliber price range?http://s288.photobucket.com/albums/ll162/alimoneyacresvideos/?action=view¤t=100_0795.flv



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Plus Ronald, you have to have something to improve on...If you are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear?

what are you gonna get for your effort?
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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 19:11 #20

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Adding a heavier shoe to the high foot, can result in more arch. I have a couple arabs I do that are hi/lo. A lighter shoe on the low foot and heavier on the high foot seems to help.
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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 19:22 #21

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you are addressing the front end issues/ hi/low

what about the engine for push?

the hinds?

you are gaining arch, are you lengthing stride? or gaining knee action?

in some instance with that situation, is the horse pulling itself from the fore/or pushing with the hinds/

too much questions for my pea brain today

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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 20:08 #22

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Absent pathology, is stride length not determined by genetics?

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RE:Stride length 15 Nov 2009 21:00 #23

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genetics determines/enviroment effects

however, you can condition the animal and 'tweek' it here and there

get a little more

the idea is to get to the winners circle without injury/as

snapping legs/bowing tendons and such

and that of coarse is a team effort

wishing you luck:)

hoping you find just what it is you are searching for

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RE:Stride length 16 Nov 2009 23:09 #24

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Rick Burten wrote:
Absent pathology, is stride length not determined by genetics?

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if that was the only factor rick then every race horse would be sacked if it was fit and didn't win first up, its always been a package deal, just ask any punter that has lost his money backing the favorite that didn't get across the line first.:)
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RE:Stride length 17 Nov 2009 00:15 #25

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so please share your thoughts/insight on this subject

would like to hear it:)

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RE:Stride length 17 Nov 2009 12:52 #26

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if that was the only factor rick then every race horse would be sacked if it was fit and didn't win first up,
Not so. If a horse is at its genetic stride length maximum, then nothing anyone does will improve on that. OTOH, if the horse is not at its genetic maximum stride length, then indeed, there are things that may be attempted in order to try and get the horse to its genetic potential.
its always been a package deal, just ask any punter that has lost his money backing the favorite that didn't get across the line first.:)
Has nothing to do with the issue at hand so long as the horse is at its genetic stride length maximum. Other factor do indeed influence whether a horse crosses the finish line first, last or somewhere in between, but if the stride length has been maximized, its not one of those factors. And, all things considered, genetics plays a huge role in many/most of the other factors.

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RE:Stride length 17 Nov 2009 13:39 #27

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genetics plays a role, but conformational correct for disapline and maximum stride length would be a very big factor in determining who gets to the winners circle/in all disaplines

there are alot of horses TB's as an example

even those of the same direct crosses

the genetics is there, the conformation is not, they are not all winners even with/at maximum stride length

just like brothers and sisters, each is an individual, the genetics is there

lots of other factors go into the melting pot to get to the winners circle

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RE:Stride length 17 Nov 2009 13:48 #28

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cynthia-jay wrote:
genetics plays a role, but conformational correct for disapline and maximum stride length would be a very big factor in determining who gets to the winners circle/in all disaplines

there are alot of horses TB's as an example

even those of the same direct crosses

the genetics is there, the conformation is not, they are not all winners even with/at maximum stride length
Is not conformation a genetics issue too??;)

Besides, I thought this discussion was about stride length.:confused:
just like brothers and sisters, each is an individual, the genetics is there

lots of other factors go into the melting pot to get to the winners circle

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Absent 'identical twins' the genetics will vary from individual to individual even though the parents remain the same.

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RE:Stride length 17 Nov 2009 14:05 #29

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as comparison to Identical twins, one may be talened and out going, the other timid and shy, "genetics is identical"

that's what makes it a horse race Rick, those little extras to get you to the winners circle

take Seabiscut against War Admiral, "maximum stride length" regarding both horses proven as Champions, yet the little guy wins;) conformational differences/ large vs small, the little guy has to work a little harder than the bigger horse to cross the finish line, yet he accomplishes this

Eight Bells, snapping her front legs, the "genetics" of a Champion is there, the conformation is not

In my opinion, they are factors and seperate, yet to be taken into consideration especially regarding "maximum stride lenghth"

(one may have daddy's pasterns the other mommys stifles that stick and click):)

that's what makes it a horses race, if genetically all TB race horses were cloned would they all reach their maximum stride length and produce only winners?

I don't think so, just my humble opinion

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RE:Stride length 18 Nov 2009 06:36 #30

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Rick Burten wrote:
Not so. If a horse is at its genetic stride length maximum, then nothing anyone does will improve on that. OTOH, if the horse is not at its genetic maximum stride length, then indeed, there are things that may be attempted in order to try and get the horse to its genetic potential.

Has nothing to do with the issue at hand so long as the horse is at its genetic stride length maximum. Other factor do indeed influence whether a horse crosses the finish line first, last or somewhere in between, but if the stride length has been maximized, its not one of those factors. And, all things considered, genetics plays a huge role in many/most of the other factors.

Rick
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