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TOPIC: Coffin Bone growth plate(s)?

RE:Coffin Bone growth plate(s)? 24 Oct 2009 22:58 #16

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Interesting bone. Thanks Kim. While I have seen many p-3's from foals who died sometime post partum, I've never before seen one from a "pre-born".

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RE:Coffin Bone growth plate(s)? 25 Oct 2009 14:50 #17

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I would not call that malformed. I would just call it immature.
As well Dr Bowker got to get a few still born or neonate feet and he found that in those all 4 coffin bones were identical font and hind. and that at a very young age(a couple weeks) they are beginning to show changes in shape ,probably in response to weight bearing. I once got to see 4 fresh bones (at the university) from a still born that were identical . You could not tell left from right nor front from hind.

I also have a scanned page from some book (not referenced, so I am looking for it) in one of my Power Points that I inherited from the previous college farrier science instructor here that says that P3 has a proximal physis that closes before birth. If you look closely at the pre born bone there is indeed a faint line across the dorsal surface a fraction of an inch below the articular surface......perhaps ohat is it?
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RE:Coffin Bone growth plate(s)? 25 Oct 2009 15:41 #18

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Hi Kim
Looking at the shape can you confirm this is a hind P3, great pictures and with this insight I wonder why we spend our lives trying to make a foot symmetrical ??? Just a thought


I'd be very careful not to rely too much on the shape of this particular coffin bone. For one because I have no idea how drying out has influenced its overall shape.


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RE:Coffin Bone growth plate(s)? 25 Oct 2009 16:01 #19

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
I'd be very careful not to rely too much on the shape of this particular coffin bone. For one because I have no idea how drying out has influenced its overall shape.


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I don't know if I would attribute it's shape to drying out and as you can see if you look closely, the foot was still decomposing. I pulled it out of the ground too soon. It was still moist from the earth.
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RE:Coffin Bone growth plate(s)? 26 Oct 2009 12:41 #20

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Patty,Kim, Denise,

I grew up on a breeding farm so I have had the opportunity to see (roughly) several hundred foals born. What we always did was to bring the mare in near time for delivery, watch her till she foaled, give baby initial medical care and turn them back out. They were back in the field within 24 hrs of birth.

Almost every baby I've seen born came out with identical feet ( to the naked eye) and when brought back to the barn at 1 month intervals until weening, their feet would be less and less alike. By the time the foals were ready for weening they would have distinctly different fronts and hinds.

To me that says that it doesn't matter what the coffin bone looks like at birth ( except in cases of extreme deformity) because it's going to be reshaped by use to fit the way it should according to how the foot is used. It is interesting to see a prenatal coffin bone though, it would be even more educational if some one had some coffin bones from say a 1 month old or 3 month old to compare it too. I bet the one month old you'd see differences and the 3 month old you'd be able to tell fronts and hinds.

I hope all that makes sense.
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