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TOPIC: No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See

No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 26 Feb 2008 21:21 #1

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This came to me from a very dear friend of mine, retired DVM Mac Barksdale. I thought I give you all something else to debate.
Quote Dr Mac:

PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO...
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:27:41 -0500

Please watch this video, you gotta watch it!!!


Subject: FW: Fwd: A Short Course On Brain Surgery under a single payers med system: HELLO Dumacrat voters !
A Short Course On Brain SurgeryWorth Watching...

A short but poignant independent film on government sponsored healthcare systems.
Everyone who plans to vote for our new President in 2008 NEEDS to see this. Regardless of the person for whom they would vote.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 26 Feb 2008 22:15 #2

I will not defend anybody on this subject, but being Canadian, I know this;

A number of years ago, our system was surpassed by none.
The Provinces are in charge of the health care systems. (plural)
The Provinces are not throwing enough money at the system,
and this started a number of years ago.

Canadians need to march as a unit to each respective location, and demand
that more money is thrown at this problem.

With that said ". . . oh, is it hockey night . . ."
". . . ieh lad lets have another beer, and talk about it some more."

Canadians have never had to fight for anything,
so they sure as shootin ain't gonna fight for this any time soon.
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 26 Feb 2008 23:10 #3

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Bradley,
The only problem is that bureaucracy tends to swallow money whole. Government is very good at throwing money at problems. If something is broken they throw more money at it without reforming the process. The reason is that in socialized programs like this when the system is failing, no one looses their job, no one says "Oh wait a minute we need to re-think this" they just see an opportunity to re quest more money and keep doing the same old thing.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 26 Feb 2008 23:17 #4

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Bradley,
The only problem is that bureaucracy tends to swallow money whole. Government is very good at throwing money at problems. If something is broken they throw more money at it without reforming the process. The reason is that in socialized programs like this when the system is failing, no one looses their job, no one says "Oh wait a minute we need to re-think this" they just see an opportunity to re quest more money and keep doing the same old thing.
02-26-2008 05:15 PM

Seems like there is something we agree on with politics.:)
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 03 Mar 2008 13:22 #5

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Seems maybe if that doctor spent a little more time working and less time making propagandistic videos maybe more might be getting done.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 03 Mar 2008 13:50 #6

SlowShoe wrote:
Bradley,
The only problem is that bureaucracy tends to swallow money whole. Government is very good at throwing money at problems. If something is broken they throw more money at it without reforming the process. The reason is that in socialized programs like this when the system is failing, no one looses their job, no one says "Oh wait a minute we need to re-think this" they just see an opportunity to re quest more money and keep doing the same old thing.

Normally I would agree.
But what's been happening in Canada is, in order to save money??????
The Gov. has cut back.....Shut down Hospitals, not up graded equipment,
with hold money to the point of failure.

Moved from localized health care to centralized,
closed down the rural care and moved it all to the big city,
with out making more beds available,
so in essence gust closing beds, and creating the need.

Yea, just through some money at the problem and it will be fixed.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 03 Mar 2008 14:16 #7

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Bradley-1stChoice wrote:
Normally I would agree.
But what's been happening in Canada is, in order to save money??????
The Gov. has cut back.....Shut down Hospitals, not up graded equipment,
with hold money to the point of failure.

Moved from localized health care to centralized,
closed down the rural care and moved it all to the big city,
with out making more beds available,
so in essence gust closing beds, and creating the need.

Yea, just through some money at the problem and it will be fixed.
You left one out Bradley,

Don't forget having a wide open non-existent immigration policy allowing the entire world to have full access to your services at your taxpayer's expense.
This is the same thing burdening the British system.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 03 Mar 2008 15:48 #8

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George Geist wrote:
Don't forget having a wide open non-existent immigration policy allowing the entire world to have full access to your services at your taxpayer's expense.
How about the burden to the US healthcare system? What are all those illegals doing to it?

Besides, we've already got one example of a government health care system right here in the good ole' USA. And that example is the VA. Now, while I personally have not had a bad experience with the VA , the examples of bad healthcare are rampant. And lets not overlook the various and sundry state, county, municipal public health organizations that afford us with a more microcosmic look at the "benefits" of a government healthcare system.

Besides, with PPO's, HMO's, etc, we already have forms of single payer health insurance. Difference is, its private, not public/fedral.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 03 Mar 2008 19:21 #9

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All the money in the world , without your health a pauper

Ron Paul sounds like a good man

some crazy bastard will try and introduce him to the Kennedys
Mark Anthony Amor
If we want anymore excrement like that outta you we'll squeese ya head :eek:
Mind how ya go now ;)
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 03 Mar 2008 19:59 #10

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what does someone in the USA do if they can't afford health insurance and they think they might have a brain tumor. would they still get quick service and an MRI right awayor would they be SOL.? don't know just asking.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 04 Mar 2008 00:24 #11

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Rick Burten wrote:
Besides, we've already got one example of a government health care system right here in the good ole' USA. And that example is the VA. Now, while I personally have not had a bad experience with the VA , the examples of bad healthcare are rampant. And lets not overlook the various and sundry state, county, municipal public health organizations that afford us with a more microcosmic look at the "benefits" of a government healthcare system.
Tri-Care the "military health system/insurance" is much worse than the VA ever thought of being. You have three levels of care to choose from in order to be in the best one Prime you have to be in a certian raduis of a military base. Then you a assigned a PCM (Primary Care Manager). You have to go through you PCM for everything if you need to see a specilist, you must ge a referral from you PCM. They pay worse that Med-a-care does and many providers have dropped out of the program due to the work. I can't prove it but I think this came about from Mrs Clintens little health care committee while Bill was the president, since it came about shortly after her committee.:eek:
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 04 Mar 2008 00:35 #12

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Tri-Care the "military health system/insurance" is much worse than the VA ever thought of being. You have three levels of care to choose from in order to be in the best one Prime you have to be in a certian raduis of a military base. Then you a assigned a PCM (Primary Care Manager). You have to go through you PCM for everything if you need to see a specilist, you must ge a referral from you PCM. They pay worse that Med-a-care does and many providers have dropped out of the program due to the work. I can't prove it but I think this came about from Mrs Clintens little health care committee while Bill was the president, since it came about shortly after her committee.:eek:

Here here....

I opted to purchace my own insurance rather than deal with that mess.

I wish it wasn't so but.... it is.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 04 Mar 2008 00:37 #13

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dave murray wrote:
what does someone in the USA do if they can't afford health insurance and they think they might have a brain tumor. would they still get quick service and an MRI right awayor would they be SOL.? don't know just asking.
SOL, they let them die in the street:mad:
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 04 Mar 2008 01:10 #14

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oh i see about the same as here. only difference here you die waitingfor help.
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RE:No Matter Who you Vote For: A Must See 04 Mar 2008 01:27 #15

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dave murray wrote:
oh i see about the same as here. only difference here you die waitingfor help.

Dave,
In the early 1990's I spent a lot of time in your country. I saw firsthand the workings of your medical system. I visited people in hospitals and I saw firsthand in pharmacies things we couldn't get here as well as everything else in regards to prescriptions and such which was the same but at a fraction of the price.

You have fine doctors there many American doctors are educated up there. Unless something has radically changed there was nothing wrong with your medical system. Quite the contrary I thought it very good in spite of the negative propaganda down here.

If there is a problem up there by all means fix it but whatever you do don't let the insurance companies and proponents of privatized graft anywhere near your medical system!:eek:
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