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TOPIC: Iraq discussion

RE:Iraq discussion 25 Mar 2008 12:15 #136

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
This missive is not about religion, it's about your failure to take personal responsibility for your mistake, then having the temerity to attempt to blame your error on me. With that thought in mind, I most respectfully suggest that your apparent inability to express yourself - either accurately or cogently - is your problem, not mine. :)
Sir,

I made no mistake and you arranged things to get the result you wanted to get. Obviously others got similar or expanded results using the same words in a search. I do have to admit that my choice to withdraw was driven by my desire to not put up with yet another of your patented diatribes that use the brute force of volume and form to suggest cogent content.

Good day.
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RE:Iraq discussion 25 Mar 2008 12:39 #137

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I just tried it [entering data into a search engine] on AltaVista and got 30,700,000 hits.

I don't doubt it.

The problem with using any search engine is that unless one's search criteria is specific, every source of every word in the search criteria will be shown in the results. For example, if one types "I hate hip hop" into a search engine that is non-specific (i.e., Google, the top line of Google's Advanced Search, Alta Vista, etc.), then every source containing all of the words in any order, including any modifiers, will be returned in the results - as long as "I", "hate", "hip", and "hop" are found somewhere in the source, the results will be returned as a hit. Even if a source says, "I can't understand why anyone in their right mind could hate hip hop", it'll still be shown as a hit - obviously the lack of specificity renders the results of such a search ambiguous to the point of absurdity.

For that reason, most search engines have features that allow the user to use more specific criteria, criteria that requires the search engine to return only those sources containing words in a specific order, to include sources containing words in a specific order as well as other words in any order, or to exclude any source containing certain words, even if the source contains the portion of the search criteria requiring specific order.

Thus, while, "I hate hip hop" (without quotes) typed into Google's Search, the first line of Google's Advanced Search, or Alta Vista will get lots of hits, typing the same phrase into the second line of Google's Advanced Search or between quotes on Alta Vista will limit the search to those folks who actually hate hip hop and return a considerably fewer hits. :)
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RE:Iraq discussion 25 Mar 2008 14:02 #138

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I made no mistake and you arranged things to get the result you wanted to get.

LMAO! I didn't arrange anything, I used YOUR exact criteria, exactly as written and got the results I posted.

Obviously others got similar or expanded results using the same words in a search.

In reality, no one who used your criteria as posted got results any different than mine.

I do have to admit that my choice to withdraw was driven by my desire to not put up with yet another of your patented diatribes that use the brute force of volume and form to suggest cogent content.

I suspect you've chosen to withdraw because you are computer savvy and you damn well know that any general search will return lots of results, most of which are meaningless; while a specific search will return results germane to the issue. I believe you knew better when you posted the criteria, but you were hoping the meaningless numbers such search would generate would support your position.

It didn't. :)
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RE:Iraq discussion 25 Mar 2008 14:41 #139

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I just did a google search on "muslims against 9/11"...only without the quotes.

The first return... islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm

The second...www.freemuslims.org/


The third articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_part_i_fatwas/

There are apparently quite a few Muslims who are against terrorist acts and they seem to be trying to make people aware of it.
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RE:Iraq discussion 25 Mar 2008 14:48 #140

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I don't know what percentage of muslims are a threat but in my 16+ years of corporate life I worked and traveled with quite a few.

I got to know some of them pretty well and being a somewhat outspoken Christian I had more than a few fairly interesting discussions and even debates with some of them...not much to do hanging around hotel lounges after work. Note that I am still alive and unharmed.
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RE:Iraq discussion 25 Mar 2008 23:31 #141

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
I suspect you've chosen to withdraw because you are computer savvy and you damn well know that any general search will return lots of results, most of which are meaningless; while a specific search will return results germane to the issue.
Sir,

Mr. Ferrara has made my point for me. You are also computer savvy enough to create a search that yields a nil set. Unfortunately you do not appear open minded enough to have even looked at the results of the more open search. This would tend to support the theory that you are constructing facts to support your position instead of staking our a valid and defensible position in the first place.

Now I am done.
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RE:Iraq discussion 26 Mar 2008 03:58 #142

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Ronald E. Kramedjian

Mr. Ferrara has made my point for me.

If your point was that any non-specific search invariably yields statistically meaningless results, you're certainly correct.

You are also computer savvy enough to create a search that yields a nil set.

It's not my fault that your criteria, used exactly as provided by yourself, did not provide the results you anticipated. Put another way, it appears your attempted disingenuousness backfired.

Unfortunately you do not appear open minded enough to have even looked at the results of the more open search.

While I appreciate your attempted damage control, you know very well that any search without specificity is a waste of time. Accuracy counts.

This would tend to support the theory that you are constructing facts to support your position instead of staking our a valid and defensible position in the first place.

LMAO! How exactly does one "construct facts" by entering your criteria in a search engine, exactly as you posted them? That said, it pains me to note that a less indifferent scholar, perhaps one less intent on obfuscation, might've noted that I provided information (quotes) in support of my position that are specific, damning, and easily authenticated. In your haste to digress, you must've missed them.

Now I am done.

You were done well before your latest post. :)
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RE:Iraq discussion 13 Apr 2008 01:13 #143

Here is a good history lesson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENXhShuof1I
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