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TOPIC: Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing

RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 10 May 2009 17:57 #46

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Rick Burten wrote:
"If and when"...ROTFLMFAO!!

Rick I graduated high school in Merkel, Texas where ag classes were pushed more than english. What the heck does "ROTFLMFAO" mean?
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 10 May 2009 18:12 #47

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westtxshoer wrote:
Rick I graduated high school in Merkel, Texas where ag classes were pushed more than english. What the heck does "ROTFLMFAO" mean?
Rolling On The Floor Laughing My F ing A ss Off
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 10 May 2009 18:15 #48

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
Rolling On The Floor Laughing My F ing A ss Off

Now that's funny.
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 11 May 2009 02:58 #49

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Are you serious patty….is it on you tube
I am serious. It USED to be on their website but I have not seen it on U-tube..maybe PETA got to them or something. I was going to sic PETA on them but they removed it first. :rolleyes:
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 11 May 2009 05:16 #50

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Jason, I just want to point out that a the current system we have today seems to be working just fine in most cases. Plus it forces people who have less skills to make less money than those with better skills. There are folks who will nail a set of shoes on for 60-70 bucks in my neck of the woods. It might not be pretty, but the horses I've seen are still sound. The market demands these types, because some horse owners cant afford to have me shoe their horses. Besides you can have a standard for everyone. But it's got to be low enough for most people to pass it. I dont want to be lumped in with most farriers... If people want standards then they should be educated on certification.

-josh
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 11 May 2009 05:41 #51

Rick Burten wrote:
Rick, the subject is likeVi-agra for Mr. Case. :p

The secret is out. Its Harvey the Invisible Rabbit........

Depends on who's telling the tale. He'd tell you but its a secret and if he did tell you he'd have to kill you so the secret didn't get out. Of course, dying from laughter would probably get him off the hook for murder......

Boggles the mind doesn't it.

As has already been observed, "The truth is an absolute defense".

Or, is that "sly like a fox"?



I love it! "If and when"...ROTFLMFAO!! I'm sure that the AFA leadership, and the current, past and future membership of the AFA is losing a lot of sleep worrying about it and have already put their attorney's phone number on speed dial in their cell phones.
mr burten is there a cert test for pf? if so were do i get the study guide for it thank you . bryan e
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 11 May 2009 12:19 #52

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bumfoot SHOER wrote:
mr burten is there a cert test for pf? if so were do i get the study guide for it thank you . bryan e
Indeed there is. You take it every day. The study guide is available on-line, in the field, over the phone, in your heart and mind, etc. :)
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 12 May 2009 17:41 #53

Jason Maki wrote:
Would it be so bad to have a standardized education and knowledge base for farriers? At present a "farrier" can be anyone form a guy with tractor supply tools and no education and experience to someone like Bob Pethic, Chris Gregory etc... It confuses me, so how does an owner stand a chance in knowing who is a "farrier"?
I do not know if licensing is the answer, but in my opinion, there is far to varied a skill level and knowledge base in the proffesion.
JMO,
Jason

So true Jason. We should have something, and the poor client and it's the horse that suffers. I do not know if licensing is the answer either; but if we ourselves don't come together and regulate ourselves pretty soon; then we will others doing it for us!! God help us all; if that should ever happen.

Tom S. is right in that the only enity with any power if the Union in some tracks where there is no right to work laws. There again lies another problem with breeding incompensy in our own profession and trade.
I know of a plater now that is the "POSTER CHILD" for the Union to be brought back on the tracks and for the need to regulate ourselves.
Licensing has been around since 1874, but only for the tracks. It has worked out with the platers using the Union plater's test to make sure of some quaility of work.

We need to stop all of this infighting among ourselves and get together; the Union, Guild, AFA, BWFA, ect and bring our schools together; and have a good education Farrier Science college level degree.

This is our future if we would let it be.
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 12 May 2009 21:55 #54

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Mr Stovall has always also stated that, Education should be at the forefront of what the AFA and any other group does for the young Farriers. Actually that should be for All Farriers.
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 13 May 2009 13:53 #55

Gary Hill wrote:
Mr Stovall has always also stated that, Education should be at the forefront of what the AFA and any other group does for the young Farriers. Actually that should be for All Farriers.

Here, Here...........Farrier education at a college level degree using farriers schools for the forging/shoeing part; and regular college classes like at New Bolton Center, Cornell for the Equine Science part for a A.S. in Farrier Science like any other profession and trade.

Ex. MBA in business, B.S. in Accounting ect........that's where we should be headed in the future of our industry and the Associations should promote and be apart of it, including still using the certs, ect.
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 21 May 2009 03:30 #56

What ever happen to go out make a living SHOE HORSES.In my opinion I and most horse owners could give a rats behind what organization you or I belong too.Give it a rest go out and do the best you can.WAHHHHHHHHH she is a plater Wahhhhhhh i am AFA wahhhhhhhhh I am union really folks if you have a successful business over the years be happy and great full,Some people would enjoy having a successful business.I belong to the working mans bar association.Now go ahead and rip me apart.:cool:
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 21 May 2009 04:00 #57

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What ever happen to go out make a living SHOE HORSES.
Nothing happened to it, thats what everyone does.
In my opinion I and most horse owners could give a rats behind what organization you or I belong too.
Thats part of the problem in that the owners are not educated concerning the standards of the different associations, therefore, when they think they are getting a journeyman farrier, they may actually be getting a journeyman farrier who got his journeyman certification from a lesser association and in reality the "journeyman" may not know which end of the nail to drive.
Give it a rest go out and do the best you can.
Everyone is going out and doing the best they can, but that doesn't mean we cannot have a conversation.
WAHHHHHHHHH she is a plater Wahhhhhhh i am AFA wahhhhhhhhh I am union really folks if you have a successful business over the years be happy and great full,Some people would enjoy having a successful business
I am sure we are all gratefull. I'm not sure what the wahhhh means or what it is referring to.
I belong to the working mans bar association.
did ya'll have a meeting this evenning?
Now go ahead and rip me apart.
I don't think anyone wants to rip you apart, you have a right to express your opinion
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 21 May 2009 04:25 #58

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What ever happen to go out make a living SHOE HORSES.In my opinion I and most horse owners could give a rats behind what organization you or I belong too.Give it a rest go out and do the best you can.WAHHHHHHHHH she is a plater Wahhhhhhh i am AFA wahhhhhhhhh I am union really folks if you have a successful business over the years be happy and great full,Some people would enjoy having a successful business.I belong to the working mans bar association.Now go ahead and rip me apart.:cool:

We can make a living shoeing horses and still have time to do stuff here, it just takes organization and planning. Were not shoeing horses like those old timers did 40 years ago or running our businesses the way they did back then, so who cares what they or their little followers (you) think. So Bababoohooey, go do your thing and we'll do ours. No big deal, don't get your tighty whiteys in a wad.:eek::D
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Beware the lollipop of mediocrity, one lick and you will suck for ever!

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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 21 May 2009 12:25 #59

Rick Talbert wrote:
bababoey38;158821 wrote:
Nothing happened to it, thats what everyone does. Thats part of the problem in that the owners are not educated concerning the standards of the different associations, therefore, when they think they are getting a journeyman farrier, they may actually be getting a journeyman farrier who got his journeyman certification from a lesser association and in reality the "journeyman" may not know which end of the nail to drive. Everyone is going out and doing the best they can, but that doesn't mean we cannot have a conversation. I am sure we are all gratefull. I'm not sure what the wahhhh means or what it is referring to.did ya'll have a meeting this evenning? I don't think anyone wants to rip you apart, you have a right to express your opinion

Correct! that's what I mean on the "journeyman" part of the conversation.:)
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RE:Official Statement from the BWFA on Farrier Licensing 22 May 2009 00:38 #60

WAHHHHHHH = crying and whining I do agree with you 100% about running a business now than 40 years ago.All I am trying to say is when was the last time a new customer asked anyone that would be a new farrier in the barn what association do you belong too?:eek:
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