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TOPIC: You Are A Liberal If???????

RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 14:40 #76

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With the way government manages everything/anything, are you sure you want to put them in charge of managing streets and sewers? I think you may want to re-think your position. :)

Do you think we could get someone else to do it? LOL, government is only a good choice when there is no other choice.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 16:22 #77

Mike,
You are so very right, government is not the solution for anything. So why are both Deomocrat Presidential canidates vowing to socialize healthcare and pass a third of the US economy squarley into government hands? Sounds like a nightmare about to come true to me!
Jason
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 16:31 #78

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You are so very right, government is not the solution for anything. So why are both Deomocrat Presidential canidates vowing to socialize healthcare and pass a third of the US economy squarley into government hands? Sounds like a nightmare about to come true to me!

Because it's all about vote's and power to them. If they socialize med. they'll be getting lots of votes from specific groups of people. Sounds like a bad idea to me too.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 16:56 #79

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You are so very right, government is not the solution for anything. So why are both Deomocrat Presidential canidates vowing to socialize healthcare

Most likely the Dems are calling for a national healthcare plan because a great many folks can't afford adequate medical care - but, never fear, it's just lip service. Of course, if one removed all the multinational insurance companies from between doctors, hospitals, and patients, those folks might just be able to afford medical care - even hospitalization. Laissez faire hasn't worked when it comes to medicine, but the insurance companies are so firmly entrenched that it'd take an act of congress to remove them. Which ain't a bad idea.

Does anyone besides myself think that since doctors are educated with public assistance, they should be required to devote a bit of their time to public assistance after they complete their education? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

and pass a third of the US economy squarley into government hands? Sounds like a nightmare about to come true to me!

In terms of economics, I'll never make a good Democrat. Or, Republican. The former wants to give my money to anybody who won't work; the latter wants to give my money to the stateless multinational who owns the shop - and both parties want to keep our borders open so cheap labor is readily available. Funny, but neither party wants to talk about election reform or the influence of multinational lobbyists on policy.

It's a pity I can't vote for "None of the Above." :)
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 16:58 #80

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But you can write in Bud Fitzpatrick!:D
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 18:49 #81

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Jason Maki wrote:
Mike,
You are so very right, government is not the solution for anything. So why are both Deomocrat Presidential canidates vowing to socialize healthcare and pass a third of the US economy squarley into government hands? Sounds like a nightmare about to come true to me!
Jason
Because we have created a block of people who are dependent on the government and this is what they want to hear. Gets them out to vote.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 19:29 #82

Perhaps Mr de Toqueville and Mr Tom were right about the oppression by the masses. Who his going to give things away if the producers simply hold out their hands and quit producing? In the words of Ayn Rand, what if Atlas Shrugs? This is to deppressing. I just want to be left alone, shoe horses, write a little bit, play ball with my boy, hunt a bit and raise my family. How come everybody else is my responsibility?
Jason
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 19:39 #83

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Jason Maki..... How come everybody else is my responsibility?

Remeber boys and girls, "It takes a village"!:o
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 19:46 #84

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Jason Maki wrote:
Perhaps Mr de Toqueville and Mr Tom were right about the oppression by the masses. Who his going to give things away if the producers simply hold out their hands and quit producing? In the words of Ayn Rand, what if Atlas Shrugs? This is to deppressing. I just want to be left alone, shoe horses, write a little bit, play ball with my boy, hunt a bit and raise my family. How come everybody else is my responsibility?
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Certainly nothing wrong with any of that Jason. Need to remember your not an island. For more understanding or maybe more confusion refer to Genesis-4:9
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 20:52 #85

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Jason Maki in gray, deletia

I just want to be left alone, shoe horses, write a little bit, play ball with my boy, hunt a bit and raise my family.

I'd say you have your priorities straight. Family first, all else is secondary.

How come everybody else is my responsibility?


I think we are, each of us, our brother's keeper to some degree. What the hell, it's either that or leave the old folks out on the ice. :)
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 16 Feb 2008 21:35 #86

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
I think we are, each of us, our brother's keeper to some degree. What the hell, it's either that or leave the old folks out on the ice. :)

I agree with you Tom, But I think government has no place in deciding that one should have to help another (forced redistribution of wealth) because that is slavery. When left to its own devices good human nature triumphs and succeeds. If you took a pole of people who think government should forcibly collect taxes (as it does) and take care of the poor and those who say it should not, you'd find the ones who do not want government interference in their lives would be many more times likely to contribute to things such as charities. And we know that anyone would rather have services from a private charity than a government service.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 17 Feb 2008 00:08 #87

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
I think we are, each of us, our brother's keeper to some degree. What the hell, it's either that or leave the old folks out on the ice. :)

The old folks shouldn't be left on the ice but...I shouldn't have to worry too much about it unless they are my old folks.

You have children and work...when your parents or grandparents get old, you take care of them. When you get old, your children or grandchildren take care of you. For the few who are left widowed, orphaned or otherwise left without family we have charity.

Not today though. People want to have abortions and careers rather than children. The want to act like rabits with nothing to show for it. They don't want to take care of their children or their old folks. And when they get old what happens? A fortunate few may have enough money saved to pay a prfoessional to take care of them til they die and the rest want to be a burden a every one who has no reason to care what happens to them.

So, we're taxed half to death and can't hardly do for ourselves even if we want to. LOL, people really do want it to be a nanny state, literally.

You just can't do everything wrong and expect it to turn out right.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 17 Feb 2008 00:13 #88

Whatever happened to the Doctor coming to the farm, taking care of the sick or injured and returning home with a couple of chickens and a side of beef for payment?


The good ole' days.

Now you have to call your insurance agent to find out how much the insurance agency charges for a tetnus shot cause the hospital pharmacy doesn't know unless you hand them an insurance card. Even then they have to look to find out how much they charge each insurance company for each shot.
"Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects." Will Rogers

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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 17 Feb 2008 00:14 #89

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Certainly nothing wrong with any of that Jason. Need to remember your not an island. For more understanding or maybe more confusion refer to Genesis-4:9
George

God asked Cain where his brother was because Cain had killed him and thought he was going to get away with it..
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 17 Feb 2008 01:31 #90

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
God asked Cain where his brother was because Cain had killed him and thought he was going to get away with it..
Punchline though was the question "Am I my brothers keeper?" For extra credit what was the correct answer? We can PM if others think this inappropriate.
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