shadow357 wrote:Not if he's dead he can't. And lets not forget the "Self Defense, defense"

Two related concepts appeal to me:
1. Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission("911, Hello Officer Krumkie, there's and intruder in my house and I think he means to do me and my family bodily harm. Can I have permission to shoot his sorry ass?" LOL) or ("members of the jury, my client's home was invaded by that miscreant. My client felt that he and his family were in grave danger . Who among you would not try to defend your life and the lives of your family against harm by someone who was already intentionally breaking the law ?)
The perp or his survivors would not want me to be on that jury.......

2. "Better judged by twelve than carried by six....."How they live is neither my responsibility or concern.Poppycock.Gee, I don't know. You tell me.....

I would hazzard a guess that no one here is against legal immigration, but most of us, it seems, are against ILLEGAL immigration and want the government to do something about that. And sooner rather than later. And, IMNTBCHO, amnesty isn't an answer.

shadow357 wrote:And debated and debated and still its been determined that it has been ratified and is now and ammendment to the constitution. It here to stay and time to move on. If it needs changed then push for another ammendment to change it. I don't have a problem with being taxed it just the way it done. It to complicated and unfare to some groups of people. A straight tax would be better, or better yet a national sales tax.

shadow357 wrote:It could be said that the document created durinig the convetion was illegal because the delegates over stepped the bonds of their individual charters in which the states sent them to accomplish during the convention. It took courage for these men to recongonize that the "Articals of Confederation" was useless and need to be s****ed and replaced with something else.

There will always be those who question the process or results. Especally when it turns out diffrent than they wanted it to. The bottom line is that the majority was satified with the process, results and outcome.

What you should be most concered with is the lack of understanding of the Constitution, our government officals in all three branches of the government have.

We keep hearing what the canidates for president is gong to change if they become president. The current three who are leading are all sentors. If all this change is needed why are they not doing something about it now. After all the president has no power to make change only the congress can do that.

Rick,
I am for legals also, but (lmao)
lets face facts man, you know
yourself there are some white folks that would not work in a pie factory tasting pies for living. I love that 911 call I'm the same way. Old Mexico is just a poor country. Lol the blonde does show sometimes not too often tho. Okay, I'm blonde what does this mean IMNTBCHO;) (private email please)
We're on the same page:p

shadow357 wrote:Your right legal immigrants.
shadow357 wrote:My ancesters yes. Not me I was born here.
shadow357 wrote:How they live there is not the issue. How they come here is. They are all welcome here as long as they immigrate under the laws of our country.
shadow357 wrote:So what are the real issues? shadow357 wrote:Like Rick said "You tell me.........
shadow357 wrote:Do you?
shadow357 wrote:Then why are you making it so difficult.

shadow357 wrote:Ok lets face the facts. Its not that white folks or any other american won't do it. They just won't do it for a wage that would not allow them to make a living. If there was no ILLEGAL workers taking the jobs then the employer would be forced to pay a hire wage in order to conduct buisness.
shadow357 wrote:That does not make it right for them to come here illegal. Maybe they would be better off if thier young men and women worked on building thier country instead of running away.
shadow357 wrote:I don't think so.

shadow357 wrote:
Your choice of font is considered yelling, and is rude. Please use regular size font.

Baron

Mr Gary, I have never been a disrespectful person and do not intend to do it now. All I know is that when older persons of retirement age and little children have to go hungry and homeless in this SO CALLED AMERICA I see it as being a issue that we as an undivided people NEED to take control. I experienced this personally, my mother was trying to work with bad health @ 68 yrs paying her bills and buying her MEDS that she didn't have the money for.(I did not find out until I took her to the DR). I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest with you or anyone else about this. Evidently you know part if not all of what I'm trying to say here is TRUE or you would not be challenging me . Sir (since I feel that you are older than me) I will bow out gracefully and let you handle it. What I believe NO ONE can or will change it.
Thank You and have a great day

Sincerely
Terri

shadow357 wrote:Have I said anything that would have made you want to be disrespectful.
shadow357 wrote:First of all with all the government handouts and Charity organizations in this country no one needs to go hungry. As for homeless its my personal belief that most homeless people are homeless because they choose to be. Although there are some exceptions. Here again there are many organizations willing to help. On the other hand having been to many other countries in world, we have no clue what being hungry or homeless is.
shadow357 wrote:Not sure what you mean by this.
However, the only undivision we have is how to handle the situation. Some say let the government take care of it, and some say let the peoples charatable hearts take care of it.
I feel it not the governments job to take my tax money and give it to others. My tax dollars are to be used to manage the government and to pay our nations debts. Not induvidual peoples debts.
I also feel that the people of The United States are the most charitable of all the world and will see to it that no one who asks goes hungry.
shadow357 wrote:This is a big argument for "National Health care" however is it not your mothers own responsability to pay for her own health care to include medications. Once again if help is needed there are charities that will help. Of course family should be the first to step up.
shadow357 wrote:Since when is descussing issues and peoblems a P I S S ing Contest.
shadow357 wrote:No one is always wrong. Parts of what you say maybe true I'm sure. However what has been done is done and there is no way to change it without another ammendment. These people you are quoting are trouble makers and are part of the problem with the current situation in our country. Its better to be informed with all the issues the form an opion of what is right and what is wrong. Then one can channel thier energy to make effective change instead of trying to change the past.
May I suggest you start by reading the constitution. Not just read it but study it to understand what it means. You may also find it interesting to study the issues that was happening and the thinking of the men behind the constitution and ammendments and why they felt it was important.
shadow357 wrote:why does age matter we all can learn from each other no matter the diffrence in age. Just because one is older it does not make them smarter.
And don't bow out as its the youth of our nation who need to be involved. As the youth are the future town councils, maylors, governors, congressmen, and presidents or our country. As well as the ones who will lay down their lives supporting and defending the constitution against all enemys foreign and domestic. So don't quit discussing and learning.
shadow357 wrote:Your right no one can change your mind but you. However, I would bet that the more knowledgable you become on the issues of all sides the more likly you will change your beliefs many times.
shadow357 wrote:Everyday I get out of bed and do what I want to do because of the freedoms and liberties we enjoy is a great day.

With a few exceptions; mentally Ill that choose to be homeless, Regular Americans that have fallen on very hard times due to illness or injury, there are not any impoverished Americans.

That American Poor Have
1) House with running water, indoor toilets, and Electricity.
2) Kids with Nike Shoes and Playstations.
3) Cars with Spinners and Large speakers that cost more than the car.
4) Food Stamps
5) Welfare
6) Every Homeless person I've met Smokes
7) TOO MUCH PRIDE

I had kids in my classroom that were way below the poverty line that had all of the above. I know there are exceptions to the above but to be an exception it can't be the norm.

Poor Outside America
1) No Electricity
2) Dirt Floors and a native roof,
3) Cars? Who need cars w/o gas?
4) No Food Stamps. Maybe a bag of rice for the Village
5) No Welfare
6) ect. Or better yet, the lack of ect.

The illegal immigrants are doing jobs that most Americans don't want to do. Why work when you can collect welfare and still have a better standard of living than most of those living in South America, India, China, and Middle East and the rest of the World. Higher wages should not be paid for jobs a trained chimp can do. If you want more money become something others need or want. Case in point: Strippers get bigger boobs for bigger tips. And Farriers convert to a barefoot shoeing business.

Every American has the Right to the Pursuit of Happiness. That begins with work and not on the couch waiting for a government check. Do away with welfare and start a government jobs program.

Roger

I was following along with interest noting your excellent points.

Then . . .
Roger Williams wrote:I've never put shoes on feet that weren't bare . . . :confused:

Sorry I was using the terminology of one of my clients. To reword myself. Farrier to natural hoof care specialist.

I'm not against Natural hoof care as promoted by Pete Ramsey. If it works for anyone out there, More power to you

Roger

s'ok Mr. Williams.

I'm still a big fan of your work.

It's too bad the piano does not pay the bills like it use to. Shoot you would think founding a state like Road Island would alllow me some type of retirement. I know it's a small state but it is better than not founding any state at all.
Roger

The 'puter was down and I was out of town, oh where to begin?

When speaking on these subjects, let's stay with English.
The word "fetus" means fruit of the womb, young one, little one, and so on.
When a person performs an aborttion, they are killing a baby.
If a baby is born on a Wednsday, what was it on Tuesday? What was it the previous Tuesday, and the Tuesday before that and so on?
We can ask what the women has to say, and if she wants to kill the kid, then fine, but why should we dictate when? If it's ok when the baby is real small, or on the Tuesday or the Wednsday (partical birth), why not Thursday? There is no difference phisicaly about the baby, but maybe Mom decides she dosen't want to be a Mom on Thursday or Friday. Maybe the little brat cries alot or is ugly or looks like his side of the family. What is the difference other than being able to look the little one (fetus) in the eyes?
As to a woman's rights, how about men's rights? A guy will have to pay child suport for eighteen years, should he have a chanse to kill the baby too?
This all ought to go over well, just asking from from a point of logic.

George!
Glad to see your foray into theology, but don't use Gen 4 to suport socilisim, go to Acts.
It says they had all things in common, but the Apostles did'nt colect donations with AK-47s.

Taxes: www.fairtax.org

Bill Adams wrote:Wasn't trying to support any particular political ideology. I think the Good Word was around long before any political parties.

Is truly unfortunate there were no AK-47s in those days though. That is one of the great things about the modern world. Check out Luke 22:36

Is no freedom without weapons:cool:
George