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TOPIC: You Are A Liberal If???????

RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 21:55 #121

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You know boys, if you hire a CPA, run your business efficiently and fund your retirement accounts properly your tax liability is not much of a burden.

Pay yourself (Simple IRA or Sep IRA) instead of the Govt.; it comes right off the top, reducing your taxable income. Fund it to the max.

My Fed and State tax liability combined is about 10% of my gross income. Certainly not a bad deal to live here. So... quit your complaining and fund YOUR retirement account.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 22:54 #122

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Who says we aren't funding our retirement accounts?

Regardless of what you're paying now, you'll pay tax on that IRA money when you take it out and you'll have fewer deductions then and who knows what the tax rate will be by then. The government my yet get it all. LOL and, in the meantime, that more money off the top. Maybe you earned it but you can't use it...and if you do need it, you'll really be penalized. Wouldn't it be nice of your money was really yours?

What about your property tax? Have you heard how many retired folks are being run out of their homes because their property taxes have gone through the roof in places like Florida?

Currently I live where property taxes are really low but there are those who are trying to change that. My parents live in a house they baught in 1965 in a match box city of a Chicago suburb. They're retired and their property tax is more than my mortgage. I wonder what the property tax on my little dump of a home will be by the time I retire and try to live off that IRA.

What about all the other taxes like sales tax, excise taxes, realestate transfer tax. LOL, I even pay a county income tax.

You're dreaming if you really think your only paying 10%. Take a look at this article www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22287.html
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 23:03 #123

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Ok, I forgot about my property taxes so add another 1 1/4%, sales tax that isn't deductible 2%, lisence fees another 1/2%. Still not a bad price to pay.

Titheing to my church and donations to the womens shelter and baby pantry adds up to more than my tax liability and it's also deductible.

My retirement accountis tax free if I don't withdraw early
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 23:10 #124

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Hey Rick, here is a photo of a new member of your Temple? LOL, just a joke friend!
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"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 23:19 #125

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brian robertson wrote:

My retirement accountis tax free if I don't withdraw early

You'll pay income tax on that account when you draw on it. You're gambling that the investment will out-pace inflation and tax rates and that you will be in a lower tax bracket when you draw on it. That's great as long as you can actually live on less money when you retire. If your property taxes don't go through the roof by then and all you want to do is sit around and watch the birds out the window, it might work out ok.

Of course, if you don't live long enough to actually retire someone else will get it all.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 19 Feb 2008 00:33 #126

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Gary Hill wrote:
Hey Rick, here is a photo of a new member of your Temple? LOL, just a joke friend!
Yep, but I don't recognize the stout fellow standing next to her. :D Must be from one of the ten lost tribes. Which means only nine are still lost. :p
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 19 Feb 2008 19:04 #127

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Speaking of closing our borders...

While my son was in Iraq serving as a Marine someone got his ATM card info and cleaned him out...about 11k worth. He came back to find out he couldn't afford a McDonalds sandwicj, which, he was really looking forward to. I don't know all the details but he only recieved partial reliefe pending the reults of the investigation.

He finally heard from the detective in charge and they think the guy behind it is a Romanian crime boss. They hook something up to an ATM that gets your card info when you swipe it and then they make another card that contains the same info.

Romanians enter by way of the US/Mexican border (posing as Mexicans?) and, from what the detective told my son, they've been doing this all up and down the west coast.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 19 Feb 2008 23:09 #128

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Boy it's a good thing we don't have any home grown REAL American criminals here. I just don't know if I could sleep at night if we did. We should just deport all those evil immigrants. Then, there would only be .....Native Americans.

Your son, learned a very harsh life lesson. THere are bad people out there.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 20 Feb 2008 01:20 #129

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brian robertson wrote:
Your son, learned a very harsh life lesson. THere are bad people out there.

The man should be shot dead for stealing from someone serving in our armed forces during war time.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 20 Feb 2008 01:48 #130

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The man should be shot dead for stealing from someone serving in our armed forces during war time.

Very nice especially coming from a guy who's in a very "blue" state:D;)
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 20 Feb 2008 09:35 #131

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brian robertson wrote:
Mike

Boy it's a good thing we don't have any home grown REAL American criminals here. I just don't know if I could sleep at night if we did. We should just deport all those evil immigrants. Then, there would only be .....Native Americans.

Your son, learned a very harsh life lesson. THere are bad people out there.

I'm afraid you missed the point. I don't think immigrants are evil and we certainly have plenty of home grown criminals.

These aren't immigrants. It's an organized effort to cross into the country for the purpose of committing crimes against the people who live here. They are able to do so by expoiting our weak border control.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 21 Feb 2008 02:56 #132

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One of my cousins in New Orleans sent me this URL. I agree with much of what the author says, but I think he gets carried away in the last couple of paragraphs. No me importa, I'm voting for Ron Paul!

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/2008198091324
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 21 Feb 2008 08:14 #133

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Mr Tom, if you'll notice in that article they fail to mention that Obama passed/supported (can't remember which) a law in Illinois, if you shoot anyone that breaks into your house that thief can sue you.
Which is the lessor of ALL the evils.
The actual facts are if we can all come to a mutual agreement that we want real FREEDOM in a non communist country take the power from the Government give it back to "WE The People" maybe our grandchildren will have e REAL chance.

No arguments, no debates.
Taxes: the tax laws was created during the Civil War in (I believe) In 1913 the Tax Law went back to the house and it was turned down. Federal Taxes ARE illegal.
http://www.ahherald.com/bishop/2003/gb031016_fed_income_tax.htm


Criminals: we should not pay for them to live in prison get fat sell drugs and kill people from Prison. The Native American Indians had several goods ways the make people suffer as they died, the old saying "The punishment should fit the crime" I sincerely believe this. There again no arguments, and no fighting just do it.
Immigrants: America was built with immigrants, we are immigrants. If you've never been to OLD Mexico you'll never know how they live. This is just a ploy there again by the government to distract us from the real issues, the sadest part of that, most people are falling for it. Just how gulliable are some people. Hey, I got and I'm a REAL blonde:D.
Life is just as simple as we can make!
Just my opinion.
Terri
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 21 Feb 2008 15:58 #134

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shadow357 wrote:

Taxes: the tax laws was created during the Civil War in (I believe) In 1913 the Tax Law went back to the house and it was turned down. Federal Taxes ARE illegal.
http://www.ahherald.com/bishop/2003/gb031016_fed_income_tax.htm
Terri
You are incorrect the Constitution Article I, Section 2 and section 8 gives "The congress the power to lay and collect taxes"(sec 8).
The 16th ammendment gives "The Congress the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, without approtionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration." it was ratified by 42 of the then (1913) 48 States. It only needed 36 states to ratify.

It was the verbage of "apportioned" in Articale I, Sec 2 that caused the supreme court to take issue with the laws taxing income. Which was the cause of initiating a ammendment to the constition.

Rest assured Federal income tax is legal.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 21 Feb 2008 16:18 #135

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Good morning Mr Gary,
I have been reading a lot on this matter and have found several documents pertaining to this here is a brief detail for the following link:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21745The 16th Amendment states in its entirety, "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
While the legitimacy of the amendment's ratification has been debated since government began operating under it in 1913, the anti-tax movement has been gathering steam in recent years. Indeed, USA Today is again running a full-page ad by We the People in today's edition that explains the group's position. The ad is available for viewing at the group's website.
"Exhaustive legal research from both state and national archives documented conclusively that the amendment did not even come close to being legally approved by the required number of states," the ad claims.
The ad lists examples of various states that did not properly ratify the amendment. Kentucky's legislature rejected the amendment, but Secretary of State Philander Knox counted Kentucky as having approved it, the ad asserts. Additionally, Oklahoma's legislature changed the amendment's wording so that it meant "just the opposite" of the original draft, according to the group's research. Minnesota did not submit any results or copy of its legislative vote to Knox, the group says, yet the nation's record keeper counted the state as one that approved the amendment.
"Legal scholars have agreed that if any state violated provisions of its own state constitution in the ratification process, its approval would be null and void," the ad continues. "At least 20 states were guilty of serious violations of their constitutions."
In fact, Bill Benson, a former criminal investigator for the Illinois Department of Revenue, began in 1984 to examine the ratification of the 16th Amendment, state by state. After a massive search of state archives and other repositories of the relevant documents, he determined that the 16th Amendment was never legally ratified. His work is contained in a two-volume book set called "The Law That Never Was."
Nevertheless, the argument regarding the 16th Amendment's controversial ratification -- or lack thereof -- has been debated. After all, the original 13 states of the Union violated provisions of their own state constitutions by ratifying the U.S. Constitution and joining the union. In 1788, people argued the U.S. Constitution was illegal on that very point. But the Constitution is universally accepted today as having been legally ratified.
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