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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 00:57 #106

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The old folks shouldn't be left on the ice but...I shouldn't have to worry too much about it unless they are my old folks.

You're a member of society. What if the old folks ain't got nobody?

You have children and work...when your parents or grandparents get old, you take care of them. When you get old, your children or grandchildren take care of you. For the few who are left widowed, orphaned or otherwise left without family we have charity.

Here in Texas, Utopia is north of Sabinal and west of Bandera, but the utopia you're talking about doesn't exist.

Not today though. People want to have abortions and careers rather than children.

Kids are a matter of choice, they're not mandatory. And, although the Paulists will disagree, kids are not punishment for a recreational roll in the hay.

The want to act like rabits with nothing to show for it.

LMAO! Do you feel the act leading to procreation should be surrounded by guilt and reserved for procreation? Me'n my parish priest have had several discussions concerning the idiocy of such a concept.

They don't want to take care of their children or their old folks.


Who is "they"?

And when they get old what happens?


Again, who is "they"? Here in rural Texas, we take care of our own, but not everyone lives in rural Texas, or rural anywhere - most folks are stacked like cordwood in big cities, their families are scattered like quail, and lots of 'em don't even know their neighbors' name.

A fortunate few may have enough money saved to pay a prfoessional to take care of them til they die and the rest want to be a burden a every one who has no reason to care what happens to them.

To tell God's truth, It'd kinda tickle me to be a burden to some sho'nuff, hard core, bible thumping, coupon-clipping, Republican in my dotage. I could probably even work up enough enthusiasm to drool occasionally.

So, we're taxed half to death and can't hardly do for ourselves even if we want to. LOL, people really do want it to be a nanny state, literally.

I don't know anybody who wants a "nanny state", but I could probably find quite a few folks who think our lack of national healthcare is a disgrace. I might even be able to find a few folks who think that a flat rate tax for everyone, including churches and non-profits, would be a Good Thing.

You just can't do everything wrong and expect it to turn out right.

Our local, county, and state government is working okay, we got rid of our most notable deadweight by sending him to Washington. :)
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 01:20 #107

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Maybe the problem with George W is that he wasn't born in Texas; he's just a wannbe.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 05:23 #108

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
Mike Ferrara in gray

The old folks shouldn't be left on the ice but...I shouldn't have to worry too much about it unless they are my old folks.

You're a member of society. What if the old folks ain't got nobody?

That's what charity is for. Charity shouldn't be manditory.

You have children and work...when your parents or grandparents get old, you take care of them. When you get old, your children or grandchildren take care of you. For the few who are left widowed, orphaned or otherwise left without family we have charity.

Here in Texas, Utopia is north of Sabinal and west of Bandera, but the utopia you're talking about doesn't exist.

Not today though. People want to have abortions and careers rather than children.

Kids are a matter of choice, they're not mandatory. And, although the Paulists will disagree, kids are not punishment for a recreational roll in the hay.

Make choices that leave you well taken care of in your old age. Whatever you do, I'm going to do my level best to avoid being held responsible for your lifestyle choices.

The want to act like rabits with nothing to show for it.

LMAO! Do you feel the act leading to procreation should be surrounded by guilt and reserved for procreation? Me'n my parish priest have had several discussions concerning the idiocy of such a concept.

I feel everyone should do as they feel best as long as they don't try to hold me responsible for what they do.

LOL, and how did your parish priest take your instruction?


They don't want to take care of their children or their old folks.


Who is "they"?

And when they get old what happens?


Again, who is "they"? Here in rural Texas, we take care of our own, but not everyone lives in rural Texas, or rural anywhere - most folks are stacked like cordwood in big cities, their families are scattered like quail, and lots of 'em don't even know their neighbors' name.

"they" are those who want the "government" to take from me and give to them.

A fortunate few may have enough money saved to pay a prfoessional to take care of them til they die and the rest want to be a burden a every one who has no reason to care what happens to them.

To tell God's truth, It'd kinda tickle me to be a burden to some sho'nuff, hard core, bible thumping, coupon-clipping, Republican in my dotage. I could probably even work up enough enthusiasm to drool occasionally.

Whatever tickles your fancy, I guess.

So, we're taxed half to death and can't hardly do for ourselves even if we want to. LOL, people really do want it to be a nanny state, literally.

I don't know anybody who wants a "nanny state", but I could probably find quite a few folks who think our lack of national healthcare is a disgrace. I might even be able to find a few folks who think that a flat rate tax for everyone, including churches and non-profits, would be a Good Thing.

I'm sure you could find a few but I wouldn't be one of them.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 05:57 #109

My 2 cents worth

WMD:
The entire world believed Iraq had them. That is the reason Pres. Clinton shot tons of Cruise missiles in to Iraq. That is why the UN had sanctions against Iraq. Saddam told interrogators “he wanted the Iranians to think he had them to prevent them from invading him.” Previous statement was paraphrased. I'm getting tired of the short term memory problems of Americans. Quite Blaming Bush. Blame the dictator that Lied. Oh we can't. The people he subjugated for decades hung his sorry butt.

SS
Social Security was not meant to last a person 10 to 20 years. When it was created life expectancy was less than 63 years of age. Most people did not make it to retirement age. To fix it need to be moved up to 78 plus w/ exceptions for mental and physical impairments. Those with false Disability Claims need to spent hard time in the pen.

Abortion:
I saw it from both sides when younger and probably would have used it if needed when I was younger. What changed my mind was the old "put yourself in my shoes" line of thinking. I would be mad as He'll if my mom had aborted me. There is not a reason that I'll support for an abortion. Underage, ******, Rape, and Deformations are not reasons for abortion. They are reasons for ADOPTION. The fetus wants to live. How do I know? Ever see a premature colt foaled. Does it hold its breath because it knows life may be short and painful? No it struggles to live. You ever hear of a premature baby saying F it. I'll just hold my breath. No! Have you ever seen a old crippled dog alertly waiting in the middle of I35 for a Semi to hit him to put him out of his misery? I’ve seen a lot of dogs confused on the highway but none to them acted suicidal.
All reasons for Abortion are Selfish.

Socialism is best described as governmental theft. Taking form one and giving to another. Just like Robin Hood! Robin Hood was after all; a thief. For all of those in support of socialism out there; if you want to give to the poor, why don’t YOU give to the poor? As for me; I would like to keep mine and give to those I wish to help when I’m able.

Nationalized Health Care:
Canada is Going Broke, France is Going Broke. People who want the best medicine come to the US. If you want cheap you go to India where the Assembly Line meets medicine. They are the Toyota of Medicine after all. Reliable! The US still is the Roll Royce of the Medical World. It may not be cheap but it sure is nice in to have one your front yard. (Not from personal experience, but dream experience)

To end my statement I would like to paraphrase a great Colonialist John Smith, "Work or Starve"

Roger
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 13:31 #110

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Roger Williams wrote:
I would be mad as He'll if my mom had aborted me.
Actually not, as you would not "be" in the first place.;)
There is not a reason that I'll support for an abortion.
All reasons for Abortion are Selfish.
Actually, all reasons for abortion are Personal. And I prefer to leave that issue as something between a woman and God(if she actually believes in God) and her conscience. And yes, I am also Pro death penalty, support responsible hunting, and served in our Armed Forces where if I had had to, I would have taken human life. IOW, "in for a penny, in for a pound"
Socialism is best described as governmental theft. Taking form one and giving to another.
Well, for the non-working pigs who slop at the trough of government largess, I tend to agree. I'd sure like to see "work fare" rather than "welfare".
Just like Robin Hood! Robin Hood was after all; a thief.
As was Zorro.:) But they live on in folk lore for some very specific reasons.
Nationalized Health Care:
Canada is Going Broke, France is Going Broke. People who want the best medicine come to the US. If you want cheap you go to India where the Assembly Line meets medicine. They are the Toyota of Medicine after all. Reliable! The US still is the Roll Royce of the Medical World. It may not be cheap but it sure is nice in to have one your front yard. (Not from personal experience, but dream experience)
In case you missed it, we've already got socialized medicine here in the US, and you pay into it every moment you are working. The VA, HMO's, PPO's, et al, are all forms of socialized medicine. Differencel between the VA and the others is that HMO's et al are private socialization with the member doctors reaping the rewards.
To end my statement I would like to paraphrase a great Colonialist John Smith, "Work or Starve"
Question is, what are you going to do with all those starving people? After all, someone's gonna' have to pay to bury them, and to protect you from them, etc. Who is that going to be?

OTOH, I'd sure like to see something done about the illegals and their get. And the first thing I'd like to see is a change in the law that states that if you are in this country illegally and you have children while here, they are just as illegal as you are. Then we can ratchet up the enforcement of laws already on the books dealing with the employment of illegals. If there was ever a 'class' of people who should be denied to our benefits system, it is the illegals. JMO, of course. :o:)
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 13:42 #111

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Rick Burten wrote:
OTOH, I'd sure like to see something done about the illegals and their get. And the first thing I'd like to see is a change in the law that states that if you are in this country illegally and you have children while here, they are just as illegal as you are. Then we can ratchet up the enforcement of laws already on the books dealing with the employment of illegals. If there was ever a 'class' of people who should be denied to our benefits system, it is the illegals. JMO, of course. :o:)

Correct Rick, Excellent points.

Thing to wrestle with is just how in the world do we deny social welfare benefits to the bums and the lazy without hurting the truly needy?

As far as taxation goes it's also very hard to stick it to Exxon and Wal-Mart without hurting those who do well and are blessed with abundant profit.

There are no easy answers to these things this is why we have politicians to argue this stuff. Ultimately the arguments continue into perpetuity and nothing ever really changes. All the more reason not to be concerned with any of it:)
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 14:16 #112

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Rick Burten wrote:
OTOH, I'd sure like to see something done about the illegals and their get. And the first thing I'd like to see is a change in the law that states that if you are in this country illegally and you have children while here, they are just as illegal as you are. Then we can ratchet up the enforcement of laws already on the books dealing with the employment of illegals. If there was ever a 'class' of people who should be denied to our benefits system, it is the illegals. JMO, of course. :o:)

I agree on all counts but it isn't going to happen. All those illegals work for folks who are campaign fund contributors. IF they are "legalized" they become a large block of voters.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 14:28 #113

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There are no easy answers that are perfect. As much as I don't like too much government there are some things that fall into the catagory of things best done by the government (we as a collective). An example might be something like roads. LOL, IO use roads so I guess I should pay for it.

But, I think we pay way too much and get WAY too little and too many are getting rich doing nothing but trying to figure out how to get and waste more of our money.

The place to start is to widdle away before adding more. Adding more pieces to something that's broken just gets you more junk. With the money that's stolen or wasted by government we could start about a half a dozen new countries and get change back.

We need accountability...down to the penny!
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 14:48 #114

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George Geist wrote:
Thing to wrestle with is just how in the world do we deny social welfare benefits to the bums and the lazy without hurting the truly needy?
It's as simple of requireing those who apply for welfare to show up at the local city maintence yard and put in some time to earn their check. Even if it means taking a broom and sweeping the gutters or pickingup trash in the streets and parks. For those who can not perform phisical labor there is always something else we can find for them to do.

A great example is the welfare system of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". People get helped when needed but they are expected to give back by doing some type of work in return.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 15:06 #115

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It's as simple of requireing those who apply for welfare to show up at the local city maintence yard and put in some time to earn their check. Even if it means taking a broom and sweeping the gutters or pickingup trash in the streets and parks. For those who can not perform phisical labor there is always something else we can find for them to do.

A great example is the welfare system of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". People get helped when needed but they are expected to give back by doing some type of work in return.

To hell with streets and parks. We already have city/county workers on the payroll for that...and they're usually going home early or sitting around doing nothing waiting to punch a clock while WE pay them.

If money is going to be taken from me to pay welfare, they should do something for me. I'm often on the road working for days at a time. My yard gets overgrown, the house needs work and so and and so forth. When I do get home, I have shop work, I'm tired and it'll be raining when I'm home anyway.

Send some of them over to cut my lawn and knock the weeds down.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 15:09 #116

Rick Burten wrote:
Question is, what are you going to do with all those starving people? After all, someone's gonna' have to pay to bury them, and to protect you from them, etc. Who is that going to be?

Here is a solution to the war in Iraq and Welfare. Get a job or get a gun. If the lazy claim to be anti war give them blanks. :).

I think the real solutution to welfare would be to go back to the Great Society (The Largest Socialistic Program in American History). If you aint got a job we will give you one; building roads, bridges, parks, ect. Then if you still don't work; go to IRAQ as Human Body Armer
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 15:21 #117

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Here is a solution to the war in Iraq and Welfare. Get a job or get a gun. If the lazy claim to be anti war give them blanks. :).

I think the real solutution to welfare would be to go back to the Great Society (The Largest Socialistic Program in American History). If you aint got a job we will give you one; building roads, bridges, parks, ect. Then if you still don't work; go to IRAQ as Human Body Armer


I say we let them starve for a while and see if their level of motivation doesn't jump up a notch or two.

But, who's going to protect us from them? LOL how about all those cops who sit around trying to catch us working stiffs going 5 over the limit. Let them sit in front of my house and protect it while I'm out working for money to pay their salery.
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 16:21 #118

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AMEN! Bro Mike. :)
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 18:22 #119

And agree with you on a motivational plan and proper use of the police.

I a pretty much a libertarian in political beliefs. Less Government and more freedoms. Your rights should be limited ONLY when they intersects with mine. Drive as fast as you want on an empty highway, smoke crack if you are able to pay for rehab. Have an abortion if you want, but I would like the chance to talk you out of it first. If given the chance I would make the fetus' rights equal to ours. That is not the law as of today but I can work for that change. As long as your actions don’t hurt someone else go ahead and do it. If you are a smoker and get lung cancer, pay for the treatment your own self. Your right your consequence.

We live in America. We should follow the laws on the books. Judges are to interpret the laws and not write them. If you don’t like the laws as written try to get them changed. This is America. Ain’t it Great!!!!
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RE:You Are A Liberal If??????? 18 Feb 2008 20:41 #120

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I think America is the best place to be but that's no excuss for the serious wrong turns that I think we're taking. The almost limitless power of the IRS and the patriot act are just two ways that come to mind that our most basic constitutional rights are made null and void.

Earlier Tom S. said that woman aren't chattel. I think if you read the fine print you'll see that we all are.

Have you heard about the guy in the Chicago suburb who's been in all that trouble over roasting pigs in his yard? Look out we have a BBQ maniac on the loose! LOL

They seem to forget that our nation was founded by people who ran their government off at gun point and why.
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