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RE:Ban in California 07 Feb 2008 12:57 #16

George,
Do you know that Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus, along with a slew of other tenets of the Bill of Rights in his prosecution of the war? Why? Because an armed enemy had the ability to do harm to the mainland of America. Hmmm, how short are peoples memories? Just because a new wave of attacks has been averted by a ferverent war effort both in actuality and electronicly DOES NOT mean we are safe. Why do people rail against the very policies that have kept them safe for six and a half years?
If you want a police state, lets give a Dem president a dem congress there wish and bring the troops home. We will need the socialized medicine to deal with all the dead bodies and injuries to our population caused by taking our boot heel off the Terrorists throat...
We, with the help of the free nations of the world drove the Nazi's to dust sixty years ago, but so few are willing to recognize the reality of the threats arrayed against us, or percivere with what actions are neccasary to erradicate them. We are the children and grand children of the greatest generation. I am embbarrased for us... we are only the greatest whiners!
Jason
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RE:Ban in California 07 Feb 2008 15:06 #17

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Jason Maki wrote:
...I am not voting in this election....
Jason
Therefor giving an additional vote to Hillery or Obama.
Who was the last canadate worth voting for?

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:Ban in California 07 Feb 2008 16:22 #18

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George,
Do you know that Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus, along with a slew of other tenets of the Bill of Rights in his prosecution of the war? Why? Because an armed enemy had the ability to do harm to the mainland of America. Hmmm, how short are peoples memories? Just because a new wave of attacks has been averted by a ferverent war effort both in actuality and electronicly DOES NOT mean we are safe. Why do people rail against the very policies that have kept them safe for six and a half years?
If you want a police state, lets give a Dem president a dem congress and bring the troops home. We will need the socialized medicine to deal with all the dead bodies and injuries to our population caused by taking our boot heel off the Terrorists throat...
We, with the help of the world drove the Nazi's to dust sixty years ago, but so few are willing to recognize the reality of the threats arrayed against us or what is neccasary to erradicate them. We are the children and grand children of the greatest generation. I am embbarrased for us... we are only the greatest whiners!
Jason

Hell yes! What he said.
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RE:Ban in California 07 Feb 2008 17:07 #19

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There have awlways been provitions to clamp down on cittzens. Look at WWII.
What happened to the Japanise cittizens, the draft, seizure of manufactureing, rationing, etc. The difference then was a concerted effort to beat the Axis. Now we have the usefull *****s protesting anything and everything, and a few mainstreem types who never saw a microphone they didn't love.
Following the logic from the left about the represion from the evill Bush, there will be no elections this year and Cheney will have compleet power. Put up a yard sign, go to detention camp.
Always remember there have been far more dictators from the left than from the right, if any.

Meanwile back at the stable, a few years ago there was a move to regulate boarding stables in my county, wich was stoped by horse owners showing up en mass at the supervisors meetings.

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I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 01:52 #20

Bill,
Canidates are meant to be vehicles of solid principles--strong national security, limited scope of government, stay the hell out of the way of the economy by not taxing punitivley, and protect the lives of ALL citizens who are not a danger to the lives of others. Thats it. No more.
Every "republican"canidate has a proven track record of committing effronteries to each and every one of these principles, none have a solid foundation based in the real world realities. Hell, the only one who has accted honourably and discharged the duties he swore to is George W. What does he get for it? Hated and berated. Why does the left/socialist bunch hate him so much? Because he is what he says he is, takes his duties seriously and has attempted to adhere to the fundamental principles he has lived and governed by. They hate him because they hate his principles. It is just easier to make fun of a man.
I learned a mantra nearly twenty years ago from Morton Blackwell, who was a part of the Reagan administration "sound philosophy makes for sound doctrine". It is true.
Not a one of these POLITICIANS has an inkling what a sound philosophy is, thus only have policies based on the exigencies of the moment.
I see no diffeence between Hillary, Obama, or McCain. Its all a slippery slope to socialist stagnation.
I do not consent to this chicanerious debasement of ideals I hold dear, and have lived by my whole life. I can not vote for people who are willing to sell there souls for a seat in a round office.
I recuse myself from this election.
I have no viable option, and refuse to be a part of it.
If that sounds angry, i am sorry. It is not a personal anger directed towards your statement or you, but an anger caused by being powerless to stop the bad things I see happening.
Jason
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 02:28 #21

I'm starting a write in campaign as I too am totally dissatisfied with the choices.

"Uncle Jaye for President"
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 02:31 #22

Sounds like a good plan to me!
Jason
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 02:41 #23

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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 02:42 #24

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You know we could use a "redneck" for a president. Crime rates would plumit due to the fact that we'd be able to carry guns everywhere. I mean the term gun control would mean just hitting your target. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and any other that claimed to be like them would be leveled. There also wouldn't be much of a waiting list on death row. Heck there would probably be folks lined up to help out with that! Where do I sign? Uncle Jaye for president:D
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 03:22 #25

Other "countries" are trying to abolish the death penalty, ours would be puttin' in an express lane!
Jason
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 04:43 #26

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Jason Maki wrote:
George,
Do you know that Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus, along with a slew of other tenets of the Bill of Rights in his prosecution of the war?
Matter of fact I did. So an unconstitutional federal power grab 140 years ago justifies such a crime today? Since when do 2 wrongs make a right?
Why? Because an armed enemy had the ability to do harm to the mainland of America.
Wrong, there was no foreign enemy. It was a federal power grab to establish a central bank and weaken state sovereignty.
Hmmm, how short are peoples memories?
Too short. I remember Waco, do you? For extra credit what other government employed tanks and flame throwers against it's own citizens?
Just because a new wave of attacks has been averted by a ferverent war effort both in actuality and electronicly DOES NOT mean we are safe. Why do people rail against the very policies that have kept them safe for six and a half years?
Interesting? So you think the government has kept you safe? Remember what Franklin said about trading freedom for security?
We, with the help of the free nations of the world drove the Nazi's to dust sixty years ago,
Nonsense, just caused them to move operations that's all. Google again Operation Paperclip, MKUltra, Project monarch etc etc.

Here's another one for you, bet you didn't know it was Clinton that was pushing for the Patriot Act? Congress wouldn't pass it. Dubya got it through with his Operation Reichstag Fire. Careful with the partisanship. Their all the same bunch of criminals.
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 05:23 #27

It is not partisianship George. i am deathly afraid that in a few short years, maybe months I will not recognize my country. Where are we going to add the scythe and hammer on the ol'stars and stripes?
Tell the survivors of the Halocaust that the Nazi machine was not destroyed.
Consolidating power in a federal direction is a liberal play, not a conservative one.Just like big labor moves the power from the individual to the union.
I am now done with this conversation. It is pointless.
You, of all folks should be thrilled at the prospects the coming election brings.

jason
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 06:25 #28

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Jason,
Hang in. I've been thinking about this today. To say you won't vote because there aren't honest politcians, is like telling a horse owner who balks at a Farrier's bill to forget the whole thing.
Remember the amnesty bill last summer? It was the first time I called my Senators and the White House. Along with several hundred thousand of my closest friends, we killed it for now.
There is be a huge differance between the right and left this year that can effect us for decades.

George,
How many people would be needed to do a job like 9-11 and make it look like what really hapened?
I'll believe when Bush supends the election and stays in power, and puts into effect all the repressive laws, instead of retiring to the ranch, and no one likeing him.

As to Uncle Jaye for President,
I have had already had a bad experence with one of those from Georgia. I do think that Jaye would make an excellant Director of the ATF, being quite handy with at least two of the three.

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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 08:32 #29

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Personally speaking, I don't like circuses using animals at all.

Did anyone see this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=512657&in_page_id=1770

In my opinion its totally sickening!
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RE:Ban in California 08 Feb 2008 13:05 #30

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Bill Adams wrote:
George,
How many people would be needed to do a job like 9-11 and make it look like what really hapened?
Not very many. As evidenced by many other such incidents there is a huge advantage to operating amongst a populace that believes it's own BS.
As to Uncle Jaye for President,
I have had already had a bad experence with one of those from Georgia. I do think that Jaye would make an excellant Director of the ATF, being quite handy with at least two of the three.
Bite your tongue! That is another illegitimate, unconstitutional organization that should not exist. I'd vote for Jaye if he would disband them and all other alphabet soup agencies.

Till then like Jason I'll not vote either. I can safely say that no difference was ever made in my life one way or the other by the results of any election.

Hey Bill,
Wanna talk about election fraud? Shall I put up some info about the electronic voting machines? This can really get interesting and worthy of popcorn;)
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