calshoer wrote:
Sorry Patty; your right to an extent,
......but,.....I meant they can't even hit the board.....being more hayburners..........and the owners keep paying day rate on them, and the vet on them, ect. Maybe they will win one more race to pay off the bills to everyone owed for the last 6 months, ect.

George had to point out something to me as well.

Apparently extreme grieve and stress gives way to your emotions and recall:

I have to make a correction: Afleet Alex didn't win the Derby '05; it was Giagomo. He won the Preakness after a huge stumble in the gate.

THAT IS SO OLD SCHOOL!

ladyblacksmith in gray, stuff deleted

He used pony clinchers, used Izumi #3 nails, and Victory or TB.

Has Izumi changed their sizes since I retired to building rabbit cages? I usta love Izumi #1 race nails, they were infinitely better than Capewell #3 1/2s or Mustad #4s and I even used the old thick shanked Izumi #4 plater's specials (pls) and #4 city head on hunters and jumpers that had plenty of wall, but I never knew Izumi made a #3. (I know, I know: there's a helluva lot of things I don't know and I'm dating myself)

racetrackers........paint feet with reducine to stimulate growth quickly, sometimes with corona on the coronary band everyday too,...

Vic Alexander, DVM (Validictorian of his class and a great vet!) did a study at Texas A&M when he was in vet school involving about 100 brood mares. First, he epoxied a marker on the dorsum of their front hooves, then he and several other members of his class used vibrators (Yup, that kind!) to massage Reducine into the coronary bands of the broodmares, with the right side getting the treatment and left side going untreated.

Result? Absolutely no difference in growth rate! (Don't you know somebody in the vet school's procurement office had a hissy when the bill for those vibrators came through?)

Jaye Perry wrote:
I am old school too!!!!! with a smile!!!!!

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
I love you Tom!!!!!!!

and...I won't go there with the vibraters though:eek:

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:Sounds like he proved that vibrators prevent reducine from working as claimed. :confused: :cool:

tbloomer wrote:
Well vibrators were not being used for their rightful purpose!!

ladyblacksmith wrote:
Focus Linda, focus!

Mark_Gough wrote:
I will try to focus and behave myself. I promise Smitty88 I would on the free shoes thread:rolleyes:
I guess no popcorn tonite!

I am not fan of toe grabs, but I think there are quite a variety of other things going on behind the scenes that are adding to the problem and definitely are not discussed. Race horse trainers are always searching for the 'magic cocktail' to make horses run faster (jump higher, etc and they are using a variety of products in an attempt to get past drug testing. We don't know how successful they are since this is not a topic for general discussion. The 'drug dejour' is M99 (etorphine) in very low doses and these guys are actually hiring unscrupulous chemists to design ways around the testing.
Additionally, blocking the nerves in the horses' heels has got to be taking its toll and I would think that this is a big issue in the 'out of the gate stumbles' as one tiny misstep when your proprioceptors are numbed can become a major catastrophy. Trying to block only the heels nerves is actually just that, a 'try', as you usually wind up blocking most of the hoof or if you want to add more volume and a bit of strategic massage you can just about get to the pastern joint.
Just a personal soapbox of mine.

mwmyersdvm wrote:Feel free doctor I welcome stuff like this as it's a personal issue with me too.
Some of the stuff being done is deplorable. What makes it worse is officials turning their heads to this stuff.
The only thing that will bring it under control is a national centralised body to oversee racing everywhere.
George

M-99, labeled years ago as "Elephant Juice" and requires a M- 50/50 antidote. We used alot of it, and I can assure you it doesn't take much to take down anything! Wonder what they are cutting it with?

mwmyersdvm in gray

I am not fan of toe grabs, but I think there are quite a variety of other things going on behind the scenes that are adding to the problem and definitely are not discussed. Race horse trainers are always searching for the 'magic cocktail' to make horses run faster (jump higher, etc and they are using a variety of products in an attempt to get past drug testing. We don't know how successful they are since this is not a topic for general discussion. The 'drug dejour' is M99 (etorphine) in very low doses and these guys are actually hiring unscrupulous chemists to design ways around the testing.

Doc, as you know, you can't make a horse run any faster than it can, but you can sure as hell keep them from hurting. Horses have been running on elephant juice (aka, "EJ") since the 1980's. The effective dosage so small (a few tenths of a ml for a 1,000 lb horse), that neither the drug nor nor its metabolites can be found by racing chemists and it takes a strong narcotic antagonist like M50/50 or Narcan to avoid fatal respiratory depression. To my personal knowledge, a certain South Texas trainer stabled at Goliad's old La Behia Downs killed quite a few horses getting the dosage dialed in just right - but hey, he won lots of races.

Additionally, blocking the nerves in the horses' heels has got to be taking its toll and I would think that this is a big issue in the 'out of the gate stumbles' as one tiny misstep when your proprioceptors are numbed can become a major catastrophy.

Most trainers don't give a damn about pinheads and Everclear is cheap. Ever wonder what would happen if they tested every horse for heel sensation while they had 'em in the test barn? I think it'd be standing room only for the trainers at the next SRC meeting and the Form would have run an extra edition to list all the rulings.

Trying to block only the heels nerves is actually just that, a 'try', as you usually wind up blocking most of the hoof or if you want to add more volume and a bit of strategic massage you can just about get to the pastern joint.

Why mess with the digital nerves when a ring block will get everything?

Just a personal soapbox of mine.

I gave the same talk to a bunch of vet students at A&M on several occasions back when Dr. MacMullin was running the show. Nobody listened then; nobody is listening now.

ladyblacksmith wrote:According to Stovall himself, he ain't as good as he once was, but he's as good once as he ever was.

Linda, you don't have a chance. You're cute, but you can't compete. Stovall is covered up with more real show bunnies then Hugh Hefner ever had.