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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 27 Jul 2007 22:22 #16

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Show me a horse who can pull a cart all day in town with no shoes (their barefoot boots don't count).

Where I live we have really mild... everything. Barely any difference in seasons, clean roads, calm traffic, etc. Of all our local carriage companies, most have several barefoot horses. Stop by and I'll give you a (barefoot) horsedrawn tour of our fair city. All day.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 28 Jul 2007 16:33 #17

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I talked to a couple of carriage companys this morning in Victoria.
One has one horse barefoot and can go about five hours of easy work (big horse, light carriage).
The fellow who has all his shod said he knows of another guy who has a horse do light work with barefoot hinds on one horse.
So now we get the rest of Rachel's story.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 28 Jul 2007 23:38 #18

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I talked to a couple of carriage companys this morning in Victoria.
One has one horse barefoot and can go about five hours of easy work (big horse, light carriage).
The fellow who has all his shod said he knows of another guy who has a horse do light work with barefoot hinds on one horse.
So now we get the rest of Rachel's story.


Uh oh, another barefooter got caught with her hand in the veracity cookie jar. C'est la vie in the PNW. Good job Bill!
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 04:35 #19

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And now you know the rest of the story. I guess I would have to believe it to see it. Horses driving every day with no shoes. Would like to find the gene pool it comes from and get a tap.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 11:38 #20

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Wife and I stopped by the "Power of the Past" festival for a bit last night. Lots of old engines, tractors and neat stuff like that but I go mostly for the food. LOL

I picked up the brochure of a local natural "trimmer" off the bulletin board and read it.

I don't care what kind of business a person starts or what kind of advertising they want to do but the blatant lies are what caught my eye.

Some of the lies told in her brochure...
1, Steel shoes increase concussion.
2, Steel shoes prevent the hoof from expanding and contracting.
3, Any horse can go barefoot and barefoot horses are outperforming competition (I take that to mean shod competition?)
4, Shoes reduce blood flow and it's comparable to your leg falling asleep.

There are numerous other misleading statements that I wouldn't necessarily refer to as lies. She says that the sole is thinned to put shoes on. Wouldn't that depend on who is doing the shoeing? She illudes to treating founder and navicular...well ok, I have barefoot foundered and "navicular" horses on my book too. And of course, my favorite, she says she doesn't cut into live sole. LOL well I don't either because I hate having to clean all that blood off my tools.

Well I thought it made interesting reading so I thought I'd share.


For the Guys: NOW Clinton Anderson is now on the band-wagon on this!!! Watch RDF-TV on cable and you will see. Funny thing: they have to put the boots on the front for the performance and they still have to use steel sliding plates (reining) for the shows, how come?

PETA was/is now getting a heads up on this???, not sure??? as yet???

And one more thing, how come these "women" do all of this natural trimming? Learn the trade and how to shoe a horse, ladies. If you are going to be in this trade, then do it right! I can say this, because I am a 17 year veteran Blacksmith (JHU), horseshoer and a woman.
And before you ladies take offense: If you can't do all of this trade; then don't do any of this trade.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 16:28 #21

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For the Guys: NOW Clinton Anderson is now on the band-wagon on this!!! Watch RDF-TV on cable and you will see. Funny thing: they have to put the boots on the front for the performance and they still have to use steel sliding plates (reining) for the shows, how come?

PETA was/is now getting a heads up on this???, not sure??? as yet???

And one more thing, how come these "women" do all of this natural trimming? Learn the trade and how to shoe a horse, ladies. If you are going to be in this trade, then do it right! I can say this, because I am a 17 year veteran Blacksmith (JHU), horseshoer and a woman.
And before you ladies take offense: If you can't do all of this trade; then don't do any of this trade.

Good on you Linda for speaking up.

I like Clinton Anderson and Monty Roberts, they have contributed a lot to horses, a lot of these trainers have. I am very disapointed to see Clinton Anderson has jumped on the barefoot ban wagon. Glad to see Monty Robert's book "From my hands to yours" has good advice on shoeing and good footing for training. He also stresses that the owner is responsible for training their horses to behave for the farrier. Clinton Anderson also has great information for the horse owner on how to train their horse to behave for the farrier.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 17:13 #22

Thank you Phill very much!!

I to am displeased with the barefoot attitude from Clinton Anderson. This is what we don't need in the industry right now. He should do what he know best; promote safe horses for the farrier and training the horse for the farrier!
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 17:33 #23

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Clint must of got it from his little buddy Ricky Lame! He has bashed shoes on his radio program for along time. If ya ever happen to stomach his show on RFD , the dude can't ride? And whats with the way he rolls his long sleeves? Either wear long sleeves or short! :eek:
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 17:52 #24

You are extremely correct all the way. Since, I do not know anything about professional training (except TB Racing); I was just being polite:....BUT.......
the truth of the matter is; one of my clients uses his tricks to train their horse for farrier, ect..... Now! the horse is worse than ever before, tries to run over them, ect; and is getting so bad to shoe to the point of me getting hurt! (a slammer). This horse was one of the perfect horses to shoe last year, before the training tapes on the Down Under way!!
He was already a well-trained novice pleasure AQHA horse, before. Get it!?!?
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 20:13 #25

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I don't spend money on cable and I rarely watch TV except when I'm working out of town and stuck in a motel for the evening. It's pretty much all trash on TV anymore isn't it?

Never mind how bad the shows are, the number and nature of commercials alone are insulting enough to make you want to choke someone.

Where I live, we only get a couple of channels without cable or satellite but I was flipping through them looking for some local news one night and came across a re-run of some old show and decided to watch it. They had it so loaded up with commercials that it just wasn't worth sitting through.

How do people tolerate that and why would they? Maybe it's a government test to see how ****** people are. LOL they probably monitor who's watching what and if they get a large number of people who are willing sit through that garbage they know they can get away with anything.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 29 Jul 2007 23:43 #26

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I am pretty sure that I know who this lady is that circulted the bulletin. She is a recent graduate from the Jamie Jackson program. While, I trim a few horses in our area, I have been able to refer many to another barefoot trimmer that I know. Now, the demand is so great that his schedule is full and I am having to turn people away. Obviously there is plenty of work to go around and since it is up to the owner to decide what is best for their horses, it is good to have this option available to the people who phone and e-mail me looking for assistance. Carol
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 30 Jul 2007 00:04 #27

Carolhanq wrote:
I am pretty sure that I know who this lady is that circulted the bulletin. She is a recent graduate from the Jamie Jackson program. While, I trim a few horses in our area, I have been able to refer many to another barefoot trimmer that I know. Now, the demand is so great that his schedule is full and I am having to turn people away. Obviously there is plenty of work to go around and since it is up to the owner to decide what is best for their horses, it is good to have this option available to the people who phone and e-mail me looking for assistance. Carol



Sorry!!!!
but --- He who represents themselves, has a fool for a client!!!
and --- most horse owner's is the same way; having just enough knowledge to be dangerous to the farrier, to the horse, and to themselves!
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 30 Jul 2007 01:05 #28

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Carolhanq wrote:
I am pretty sure that I know who this lady is that circulted the bulletin. She is a recent graduate from the Jamie Jackson program. While, I trim a few horses in our area, I have been able to refer many to another barefoot trimmer that I know. Now, the demand is so great that his schedule is full and I am having to turn people away. Obviously there is plenty of work to go around and since it is up to the owner to decide what is best for their horses, it is good to have this option available to the people who phone and e-mail me looking for assistance. Carol

If work is so easy to come by why do they feel they need such advertising techniques?
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 30 Jul 2007 01:23 #29

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"If work is so easy to come by why do they feel they need such advertising techniques?"



Mike, don't you keep up with stats? The" Horseman "is an endangered species.
These guys on TV have an unlimited supply of first time horseowners that don't really have a clue. They sell them anything and everything. Have you seen all the orange sticks with string on the ends? We always used lunge whips,but that isn't policially correct anymore.
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RE:Natural hoof care lies come to rural Indiana. 30 Jul 2007 02:20 #30

Gary Hill wrote:
"If work is so easy to come by why do they feel they need such advertising techniques?"



Mike, don't you keep up with stats? The" Horseman "is an endangered species.
These guys on TV have an unlimited supply of first time horseowners that don't really have a clue. They sell them anything and everything. Have you seen all the orange sticks with string on the ends? We always used lunge whips,but that isn't policially correct anymore.

The way I see it people will eventually get a clue or give up. ;)

The ones that get a clue are great clients.
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