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TOPIC: Would Farrier Licensing Help?

RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 27 Jul 2007 17:38 #286

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ladyblacksmith wrote:

I find out today from someone coming in from Florida, that the State was going to, were trying, or did pass a law that a farrier could only put on a flat shoe, and if it needed clips, pads, wedges, ect;

Really old news - like over 2 years old.

The veterinary licensing board decided to overstep their bounds and interpret everything having to do with animals as veterinary medicine.
A lot of farriers whined about it . . . But, no farrier organizations showed up for the fight.

A group of concerned animal owners got together and gave the vet licensing board a good legal thrashing. END OF PROBLEM.

Fortunately the animal owners didn't wait around to see whether or not farriers would stand up for their profession.

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 27 Jul 2007 18:26 #287

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 27 Jul 2007 19:35 #288

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tbloomer wrote:

Really old news - like over 2 years old.

The veterinary licensing board decided to overstep their bounds and interpret everything having to do with animals as veterinary medicine.
A lot of farriers whined about it . . . But, no farrier organizations showed up for the fight.

A group of concerned animal owners got together and gave the vet licensing board a good legal thrashing. END OF PROBLEM.

Fortunately the animal owners didn't wait around to see whether or not farriers would stand up for their profession.

Some farriers did something about it, I don't know about Florida specificaly but Henery Hemering and Dave Ducket do not sit idoly by. Henery requested farriers speak up and write letters, he gave specific info as to who and where to send the letters. I sent mine.

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 27 Jul 2007 22:44 #289

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Phil Armitage wrote:

Some farriers did something about it, I don't know about Florida specificaly but Henery Hemering and Dave Ducket do not sit idoly by. Henery requested farriers speak up and write letters, he gave specific info as to who and where to send the letters. I sent mine.

I'm sure that the Florida legislature took into consideration those letters from farriers residing in Maine, Pennsylvania, Maryland . . .

The IN YOUR FACE lobbying was done organizations like these:
www.faaor.org
www.iaaor.org

Where was the FSFA, the AFA, the BWFA, the GPF, and the IUJH?

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 29 Jul 2007 11:45 #290

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tbloomer wrote:

I'm sure that the Florida legislature took into consideration those letters from farriers residing in Maine, Pennsylvania, Maryland . . .

The IN YOUR FACE lobbying was done organizations like these:
www.faaor.org
www.iaaor.org

Where was the FSFA, the AFA, the BWFA, the GPF, and the IUJH?

We IUJH tried, but was stopped, and death of our members didn't help either.
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 29 Jul 2007 11:48 #291

ladyblacksmith OFFLINE Master Posts: 1436 Karma: 0	tbloomer wrote: PS: Linda, You might think you're getting old, but when you stand next to George you look pretty young and . . . well, George looks really old. Thank you, Dear.....and yes George looks really old.......LOL...... I was just being very fasious to the other guy anyway. ________ YAMAHA YMF262
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 04:20 #292

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Jason Maki wrote:

George,
The AFT travels to England, thus a CJF credential is required BY LAW to touch a horse...that is the root of the requirement, not some class distinction evident only to a mind of Marxist bend

Besides, if someone can make the AFT, they could pass the CJF test hungover, with no sleep working cold on a flat horned anvil... why would they not aquire the accreditation?
Jason

Jason,
Sorry but thats BS.

That rule was made relatively recently. The British law hasn't changed in over 100 years. I am fully aware that this is the AFA's spin they put on it but it is not true. If you honestly don't know the real reason for it contact me privately and we'll talk about it.
George

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 04:37 #293

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Tom Stovall, CJF]If you want to crow about the JHU's historical roots, you don't get to pick and choose what part of the wash gets hung out on the line for folks to see. In point of fact, the JHU's testing procedure has a history of unfair administration.[/QUOTE]

Mr Stovall,
Your as cynical a man as I've ever seen. Maybe even worse than myself. Why do you think your AFA certification is presided over by the Blessed Virgin Mother Mary?

This argument could go on forever. Fact is our passing rate is excellent. AFA's is very poor. Again in my local the buck stops here.

LMAO! Since every state racing commission consists of political apointees wrote:

Wrong, the state of Florida has no racing commission. To their credit they prove every day how unnecessary such political hacks are.

JHU dues go for benefits. Unlike your AFA they work on behalf of the interests of their membership.

And the difference between the JHU and any other good 'ol boy's club is? Spare me any union nonsense, just tell me whether or not every union member working on union tracks has taken and passed the JHU test.

Again unlike the AFA, testing is required of prospective members. Thus anyone with journeyman status has successfully passed the Union's test.
The exception to that would be apprentices.

Unless every JHU member plating horses has taken and passed the JHU's test, then I'd opine the JHU is more of a social club than a bona fide union of workers united for a common cause. Again: Has every union member working of union tracks taken and passed the JHU test?

What is it you always say, opinion doesn't make it fact?

C'mon Mr. Geist, what other folks do or have done does not excuse or mitigate the JHU's history of exclusionary testing procedures. For some reason, you haven't answered the question about whether or not every union member working on union tracks has taken and passed the JHU test: Why is that?

I certainly do hope that you will now dissassociate yourself from anything having to do with the sport of rodeo and never again speak to anyone involved in such a criminal enterprise. I'd hate to think of you being involved with such undesireables

For the question you continue harping on see above
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 04:50 #294

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:

What happens if a trainer from Texas (a right-to-work state) wants to hire a Texas plater to do his barn in Philadelphia? Does the Penn SRC recognize a Texas plater's license (i.e., through reciprocity?), or would a Texas licensee be required to pass the JHU test in order to obtain a Penn plater's license? If, through reciprocity or other means, a Texas plater obtains a Penn plater's license, who mandates he must take the JHU test before working at the track? The JHU? Track management? The SRC?

At Philly Park no.
The way that place works is this: Your imaginary friends licence application must be signed by the track stewards, track security, and the secretary-treasurer of the JHU local there.

If he was never licensed anywhere before he would first be tested at U of Penn by our good friend Pat Reilly. After successfully completing that he would then need to take the Union's test. His Texas license might now give him reciprocity from the racing commission's test but with no union card they will not license him.

Thus, in simplest terms, the place is a closed shop. He can join the Union or stay in Texas. So what's your point?

Ok, enough already!!!!!! This thread has gotten about as out of control as any I've ever seen. If somebody wants to continue arguing about the Union lets start another thread. This one is supposed to be about more respect from vets coming through licensing. Remember?!
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 05:55 #295

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Bill Adams wrote:

Tom and George,
This discusion of union tests and the late and truly great Harry Patton, reminded me of this:
His wonderful wife Ada Gates Patton, when asked by someone (at a practice clinic) about how people react if they fail the AFA certification, said that she was the first shoer in history to burst into tears when she failed a union test. Had us all grinnin' real big.
Bill

Bill,
Never forget that Ada Gates Patton has the distinction of being the very first woman to ever pass that test as well. Something she is very proud of to this day.
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 10:52 #296

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George Geist wrote:

At Philly Park no.
The way that place works is this: Your imaginary friends licence application must be signed by the track stewards, track security, and the secretary-treasurer of the JHU local there.

If he was never licensed anywhere before he would first be tested at U of Penn by our good friend Pat Reilly. After successfully completing that he would then need to take the Union's test. His Texas license might now give him reciprocity from the racing commission's test but with no union card they will not license him.

Thus, in simplest terms, the place is a closed shop. He can join the Union or stay in Texas. So what's your point?

Ok, enough already!!!!!! This thread has gotten about as out of control as any I've ever seen. If somebody wants to continue arguing about the Union lets start another thread. This one is supposed to be about more respect from vets coming through licensing. Remember?!
George

Thank you, George.

Licencing or not; NO vet is truely ever going to respect the blacksmith, or its trade!!!!!
Most vets come a different world and mind-set!!!!!
I have seen it time and time again; "always" dismissing the blacksmiths, or anyone else has to say about the horse. Personally, I always listen to what the another blacksmith, trainer, groom, jockey, and/or exercise rider has to say. It makes me a better blacksmith, and gives you better insight about the horse.

We "have licencing" at the track, and the JHU test, but still the vets "do not" respect us in any way.
There might be a handful out there, but they are the exception; NOT the rule!

I hope this clears up about licencing and the vets.
Thanks......................Linda..........................
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 12:35 #297

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George Geist wrote:

Jason,
That rule was made relatively recently

What do you consider "relatively recently"?

The British law hasn't changed in over 100 years.

Actually, the Farrier Registration Act wasn't enacted until 1975, was ammended in 1977 and again in 2002.

I am fully aware that this is the AFA's spin they put on it but it is not true.

Really? How have you come to this knowledge?

If you honestly don't know the real reason for it contact me privately and we'll talk about it.
George

How about since you have made a public allegation, you respond publicly with regard to the "real reason". Absent that, I too am interested in your version of truth, justice and the Amereican Way , so how about you send me a private message/e-mail detailing the facts as you know them.

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 13:06 #298

Bill Adams OFFLINE Master Posts: 4185 Thank you received: 9 Karma: 6	George Geist wrote: Bill, Never forget that Ada Gates Patton has the distinction of being the very first woman to ever pass that test as well. Something she is very proud of to this day. George Did'nt forget, but assumed everyone knew she continued on to pass, and to be one of the funnest people to be around, and a great asset to our trade. Bill
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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 16:14 #299

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I did not start this thread with the sole purpose of forcing vets to respect us. Respect is an earned commodity, as I am sure someone here is bound to point out. However, if one can only practice our profession with some degree of qualifiction, that might change how we are viewed by others in the horse industry. Additionally, our opinion would potentially carry more weight if our expertise was recognized as a matter of law.

I would also point out that the poll results have crept closer together since the argument turned to specific unions and organizations. I wonder what to make of this?

P

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RE:Would Farrier Licensing Help? 30 Jul 2007 18:06 #300

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reillyshoe wrote:

I would also point out that the poll results have crept closer together since the argument turned to specific unions and organizations. I wonder what to make of this?

I think it means that some people don't like the idea of organized labor. It's six of one or a half dozen of the other to me. I don't want either the government or a union sticking their nose in.

But for those of you who really want a license, just email me your address. I print some up here and get them sent right off. You want a certificate? I'll bet I can print some of those too. What color do you like.

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