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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 11 Mar 2007 18:04 #61

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It was my understanding that the AFA's Treasurer requested an outside audit and the BoD approved the current budget pending review and corrections according to the audit.
Yes, your understanding is correct. But the audit should have been conducted long ago. Instead we are trying to "lock the barn door after the animals have escaped". And it still would have been fiscally responsible and prudent to wait to approve a budget(I suppose since what was approved is in actuality, a 'non-budget',that that is still possible) after the audit is completed. Since the AFA's fiscal year does not end until 30June2007, there is a window available to act in a fiscally responsible manner. Time will tell if that becomes the case.

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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 11 Mar 2007 18:21 #62

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I suggest that a new thread be started concerning the WCB/AFA issue, so it won't be lost in the clutter.

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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 00:55 #63

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danverschild wrote:
It was my understanding that the AFA's Treasurer requested an outside audit and the BoD approved the current budget pending review and corrections according to the audit.
The BOD gave John a couple of months to get the books straightened out then to have an outside audit cunducted.

What I can't understand why the books are so messed up. John has had a full year to get his hands around the finaces. What has he been doing all that time? Why if John belives the problem is with the last treasure was an audit not done upon John entering office.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 01:18 #64

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Why if John belives the problem is with the last treasure was an audit not done upon John entering office.
Let's Clarify one thing right here before it gets anykind of life.

John has never had an issue with his predicessor or the way that he managed the AFA finances.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 01:46 #65

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T.N. Trosin wrote:
Let's Clarify one thing right here before it gets anykind of life.

John has never had an issue with his predicessor or the way that he managed the AFA finances.
I stand corrected. It was the Finance Committe Chair he had an issue with. I get the two mixed up.

I still don't understand why the treasure is not the chair of the Finance Committe?

But it does not matter. Good finacial responsabilty dictates that an audit of the books be conducted upon the change of the people responsable for the finances.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 11:31 #66

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I stand corrected. It was the Finance Committe Chair he had an issue with. I get the two mixed up.

I still don't understand why the treasure is not the chair of the Finance Committe?

But it does not matter. Good finacial responsabilty dictates that an audit of the books be conducted upon the change of the people responsable for the finances.

Gary, I know John and he does not have an issue with anyone. John is a very positive person, hard worker, dedicated and trys to get along with everyone. Keep in mind that the posistions held in the AFA from Pres. down are volenteer posistions. Men and women who sacrifice their time for a good cause to do what they can. We are lucky to have people who are willing to step up to the plate and do these jobs.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 12:11 #67

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Gary_Miller wrote:
I still don't understand why the treasure is not the chair of the Finance Committe?
Gary,

Effective with the close of convention this year(2007) the Treasurer became Chairman of the Finance Committee. This is one of the changes to the Bylaws that was approved at the mid year BoD meeting 2006.

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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 13:02 #68

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Keep in mind that the posistions held in the AFA from Pres. down are volenteer posistions. Men and women who sacrifice their time for a good cause to do what they can. We are lucky to have people who are willing to step up to the plate and do these jobs.
Phil. you are so right we are very lucky to have people who volunteer in the AFA and other important organizations across our country and aroound our world. I personaly want to thank all those who volunteer the time for a good cause.

However Phil need I remind you that being a volunteer does not exempt you from doing you responsabilities correctly, accurately,professionally and legally.

When someone in the AFA runs for office he says I have the knowledge, skills, and desire to fulfill the duties of this office according to the bylaws of the organization. The same is true for the committees although appointed by the BOD their accepting the postion says they have the knowledge, skills, and desire to fulfill the duties of there postion.

As a member of the AFA I expect all the offices to fulfill all the duties and responsabilities of the office in which they were elected. No more and no less.

If as a officer you can't fulfill those duties and responsabilities for any reason. I expect you to step down and let someone else step up who will do the job correctly.

I will not except being a volunteer as a excuse for not fulfilling your responsabilities.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 12 Mar 2007 13:04 #69

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Rick Burten wrote:
Gary,

Effective with the close of convention this year(2007) the Treasurer became Chairman of the Finance Committee. This is one of the changes to the Bylaws that was approved at the mid year BoD meeting 2006.

Rick
I had forgotten this. Thanks for reminding me.
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