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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 06 Mar 2007 02:17 #16

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
Third, I would ask that everyone get a clue about negativity and on going personal attacks. They serve no purpose other than to damage what should be a positive process. .

Ron,

You wrote this prior to the election:

Mr. Elsbree, if you were a selfless volunteer as you claim you would not have felt the need to include any of this. The fact, in my view, is that you have never been truly selfless in your efforts. Rather you have given and now that you are once again chasing the Presidency, an office that eluded you when Mr. Trnka ran against you in a write in campaign, you are taking me on instead of having a stand up debate with your opponent and claiming your good acts to make your attack look more righteous in the process.

Now stop hiding behind your attacks on me and be a man, go debate with Rick heads up were we can all watch. At least fight and live or die with a little dignity.
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Now tell us, how was this NOT a negative statement and a personal attack against Mr Elsbree ?!?!?!?

Did you have some epiphany after the election that allowed you to 'get a clue'.

My guess is I'm not the only one that wonders how this Jekyl and Hyde 'position' could possibly have been good for the AFA.

Derin
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 06 Mar 2007 03:05 #17

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Rick and Ron,
On behalf of myself, fellow officers, Board of Directors and AFA members, let me thank you two for accepting the challenge of running for office, stating the issues as you saw them, having the courage to see the election process through. Even though you were the runners up, you had much support and we all hope you will consider a run for office again in the future.

I saw you both shake hands and congratulate the winners of the election and that showed what you are made of - you make us all proud to be members of the AFA. Thank you.

Respectfully,
John Blombach, Treasurer
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 06 Mar 2007 03:17 #18

Derin Foor wrote:
Did you have some epiphany after the election that allowed you to 'get a clue'.
Yeah, the election cycle is over and the AFA needs to see that regardless of how the election turned out that all of the candidates were and are more dedicated to the AFA than to holding grudges about the vagaries of politics AFA style. Perhaps you should take our lead and let it go.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 06 Mar 2007 03:22 #19

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I saw you both shake hands and congratulate the winners of the election and that showed what you are made of - you make us all proud to be members of the AFA.
John,

Thank you. I think that we all agreed that regardless of who won that we wanted everyone in the AFA to understand that it was time to put the childishness of not acting like gentlemen and statesmen behind. I think we all hoped that we could move ahead as examples of how others should behave.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 06 Mar 2007 12:10 #20

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
John,

Thank you. I think that we all agreed that regardless of who won that we wanted everyone in the AFA to understand that it was time to put the childishness of not acting like gentlemen and statesmen behind. I think we all hoped that we could move ahead as examples of how others should behave.


Ron,

In light of your new outlook on things, I think you should make an opportunity to call Butch and apologize to him..that is if you haven't already. :cool:

Bo
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 06 Mar 2007 21:23 #21

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Bo Terry wrote:
Ron,

In light of your new outlook on things, I think you should make an opportunity to call Butch and apologize to him..that is if you haven't already. :cool:

Bo

Bo,

Ron and Butch had a difference of opinions in the past but spoke with each other personally and have resolved their differences and are moving forward. Butch and Ron both agree differences such these are best addressed personally, by telephone or via email and should avoid being discussed on forums such as horseshoes.com. Butch appreciates your concern and asked me to post that no apology from Ron is necessary.

Connie Hockaday
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 02:14 #22

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Not trying to stir the pot....just thought it to be appropriate and deserved. Glad to hear it's taken care of though. :)

Bo
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 12:47 #23

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Ron,

You wrote this prior to the election:

Mr. Elsbree, if you were a selfless volunteer as you claim you would not have felt the need to include any of this. The fact, in my view, is that you have never been truly selfless in your efforts. Rather you have given and now that you are once again chasing the Presidency, an office that eluded you when Mr. Trnka ran against you in a write in campaign, you are taking me on instead of having a stand up debate with your opponent and claiming your good acts to make your attack look more righteous in the process.

Now stop hiding behind your attacks on me and be a man, go debate with Rick heads up were we can all watch. At least fight and live or die with a little dignity.

YOU ALSO WROTE:01-26-2007, 07:20 AM

I do wish you would listen to the people you interact with more. Every time I turn around when talking to the membership they say “anyone but Elesbre” over and over. When I ask why they tell me their individual horror story about how you have insulted or ignored them or someone they know.

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Ron,

Do you still believe that there is any truth in these statements that you wrote prior to ever meeting me in person? For true healing in the AFA we need to take responsibility for the mistakes we've made.

Sincerely,

Andrew Elsbree, CJF
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 12:51 #24

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Andrew,

Ron is out of town and I think he left his computer at home. He'll be gone about a week, but I'll let him know about this posting when he gets back.

Rick

Philosophically, for true healing to occur, don't we have to quit picking th scab off? rb
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 14:15 #25

AndrewCJF wrote:
Ron,

Do you still believe that there is any truth in these statements that you wrote prior to ever meeting me in person?
Andrew,

As Rick indicated I am traveling. I just happened to cacth this while sitting in the airport reading messages on my phone.

My short response is that after meeting and talking to you it is my opinion that there are people that have a negitive opinion of you and your style that may be in error. If they are in error only you can address them. My comments were founded in their comments to me and as such would be indicitive of the comments that were made to me. It is my opinion that if you are concerned about those perceptions that you should engage in an effort to address those anomialies that are causing the problematic preceptions as you move forward. The up or down side of this is in you hands.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 14:24 #26

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AndrewCJF wrote:
For true healing in the AFA we need to take responsibility for the mistakes we've made.
For true healing of the AFA we (the members) need to thoughen up our skins and not let things that have been said during a political campaign sore a phester.

No one is perfect nether me, nor Ron, nor Rick, nor Dick, nor Andrew, nor the general membership, and especally not the AFA BOD and EC.

However to get the AFA back on the RIGHT track and make things happen for the betterment of the industry. We (the AFA members)have to look forward and stop looking back.

Andrew, the membership has spoken they think you and Dick are the MEN who can make this happen as leaders.

Now lets just all stop whinning about the past and get going.

JUST DO IT!!!!
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 14:57 #27

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AndrewCJF wrote:
For true healing in the AFA we need to take responsibility for the mistakes we've made.
Sincerely,

Andrew Elsbree, CJF
President-Elect AFA[/B]
I'd say probably best to dump the old baggage and get on with the future.

From what I've read there's too much to do to be obsessing about history and what was said during an election campaign.

Time to stand up and give a lead now surely?
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 07 Mar 2007 21:36 #28

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AMEN !!! to looking forward and not hashing over past remarks.

Andrew we look forward to co-ordinating pre certs and certs through you.
Congratulations on your being chosen as President elect.

I know you and Dick will put the past where it belongs and be heavily focused on the future and all it holds.
Bringing members together with unification of a common goal is moving forward and will bring more involvement and co-operation for the AFA and its Chapters in days to come.

The future is bright and the cup is half full. :D
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I thought my life had come to a close with Cindy's passing, but there is life after death Thankyou Sharon !

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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 08 Mar 2007 06:02 #29

Letting go and forgeting the past is a great concept and easier said than done.

Things posted on this forum are archived and often read by simply searching for topics. So even if we let it go the forum has not let it go.

I can totaly understand Andrews concern.

One way everyone on this forum can help forget about the past is to think of the negative comments they have posted and go delete them.
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RE:As the bird flies so come the reports 08 Mar 2007 09:08 #30

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Letting go and getting over it is quite different from obliterating it and pretending it never happened though.

Indeed I'd say that someone who can do the former and take the lead is demonstrably a bigger person
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