Jim Zieger wrote: Jim, I fail to see how this question is relivent to Ron's leadership ability as Vice President for the AFA.

Could you please elaborate on why you asked this question, and why it is relivent to being a leader in the association?

Gary

Gary,

In July of 2005, Ron was one only ten members (plus two Ex-Officio) in the farrier schools survey task force. Also, in his capacity within that group, Ron was quite prolific in his communications as well as quite strong with his opinion.

I see relevance in Ron assuming (or at least attempting to assume) a strong leadership role in a group that was tasked to survey farrier schools when he had never even been to a farrier school. If I recall his own words correctly, I don't believe he had much experience running a farrier business at that time either.

Speaking of his own words, is there some reason you are answering Ron's question with a question? Is he not available for comment?

Heck my wife has been in a team undertaking a review of pornography on the internet and unless she's been keeping something secret from me she doesn't do that.

To undertake a formal review of standards of any organisation one requires:

Analytical skills
Organisational ability
The ability to identify and work with stakeholders
Project Management
Decision making
Communication skills
Independence
Lack of preconceived ideas and an open mind sometimes helps
Knowledge of standards and the ability to benchmark with others
Access and authority and the ability to influence

When I was in the mililtary I was apponted to a team that was reviewing maintenance pratices on the M-16 Fighter Jet.

I was not an Aircraft maintence person. I was a Civil Engineer we worked on the infrastructure of the base.

When it comes to quality teams its always a good idea to have someone not fermilure with anything the team is designed to do. That way you have an unbiase opinon of the process.

Gary

jvzieger wrote: As I understand it the team did not get very far past the forming stage before the schools decided to do something on their own in improving the schools. So the team was disbanded.
I think who ever appointed Ron to the team saw that he could bring something to the process, and was wise in appointing him to the team.jvzieger wrote: If your on a team such as this and not speaking up or voicing your opinion then your not doing justice to the process.jvzieger wrote: Its has no reilivence in the quality team process. In fact it helps having someone who is not close to the subject to keep others from hanging on to thier own agendas, and Holy Cows.

See my previous post.jvzieger wrote: Ron answered the question in the tread where you asked it. I just though it to me a stange question to ask as many farriers have not gone to a formal farrier school but have learned the trade by apprenticeship.

I also think you had underlying motives to try and discredit Ron and his leadership abillities. I don't think how one learned the trade or how long one has been in the buisness has anything to do with his abillities to lead the organization.

If you think it does then lets hear your reasons so they can be debated, and the issue put to rest once and for all.

Gary