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RE:MCHA & the AFA 04 Dec 2011 14:22 #46

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Mark_Gough wrote:
Tom, while I admire and often find your logic nearly irrefutable I would take exception, at least in part, to your position.

It is incorrect to assert that the AFA promotes contests and a shoeing team instead of promoting it's certification program. The AFA does, in fact, actively promote certification. Certification clinics and exams are held frequently throughout the year at various locations around the United States.

Mark I beleive you are incorrect in this statement, The AFA does not hold certifications throughout the United States, just like the PRCA, IPRA, and the PBR don't put on rodeos. They are merely a sanctioning body that establish the rules and criteria. It is the local chapters who do the work and put up the money to have a certification. It is up to the local chapters to put on the clinics in which the AFA team or examiners are the clinicians. It would be interesting to see the figures for the percentage of farriers who are members of there local association compared to the percent that are AFA.

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The AFA's greatest failure really isn't the AFA's failure at all. It is the failure of the majority of working farriers to recognize the value in a national association. Increased membership would facilitate better funding of the AFA mission and five tenets. An increase in active participation by members would almost certainly elevate the general quality of farriery.

Frankly, given the small percentage of working farriers that are AFA members, it's a wonder the association accomplishes as much as they do.


Cheers,
Mark

Mark I find this statement hard to beleive coming from you. If a business is not succeeding it is not the fault of the customer. Especially after the business has been around a long time, I beleive Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different reults. Perhaps the AFA should look at the reason there membership is low, and reevalute there business plan(such as being discussed above) to gain more members.
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"As I see it, good enough is never good enough, it's just an excuse for mediocrity. If every shoeing ain't worth your best shot, you're just going through the motions." Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:MCHA & the AFA 04 Dec 2011 17:29 #47

This thread has become to repetitive to care much any more.

I don't think anyone is going to change there pre conceived ideas on the AFA
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RE:MCHA & the AFA 04 Dec 2011 17:41 #48

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I don't think anyone is going to change there pre conceived ideas on the AFA
Michael, I think you have succinctly stated why the AFA has so much trouble attracting members in the first place. Couple that with their experience after joining and the tap root is exposed. :o :(
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RE:MCHA & the AFA 08 Dec 2011 03:09 #49

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smitty88 wrote:
Mark i love the way you text stuff
you are very easy to understand and on the button

most every time you reply.

I appreciate the kind words John.
as for your farrier work i would like to coment on it.
its on the up and up with each post

John, coming from you that means a lot! I value your opinion and appreciate how you've generously shared your work and thoughts over the years. It sets an example to which many of us aspire.

Cheers,
Mark
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RE:MCHA & the AFA 08 Dec 2011 03:38 #50

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Mark I beleive you are incorrect in this statement, The AFA does not hold certifications throughout the United States, just like the PRCA, IPRA, and the PBR don't put on rodeos. They are merely a sanctioning body that establish the rules and criteria. It is the local chapters who do the work and put up the money to have a certification. It is up to the local chapters to put on the clinics in which the AFA team or examiners are the clinicians. It would be interesting to see the figures for the percentage of farriers who are members of there local association compared to the percent that are AFA.

We'll have to agree to disagree Justin. In my view, all of those local AFA chapters, along with their many members, are collectively the AFA.

Mark I find this statement hard to beleive coming from you. If a business is not succeeding it is not the fault of the customer. Especially after the business has been around a long time.

Nothing hard to believe about it. The AFA is not a business and farriers are not AFA customers. With the exception of headquarters office staff, it's an association of volunteers.
I believe Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Perhaps the AFA should look at the reason there membership is low, and re-evalute there business plan(such as being discussed above) to gain more members.

Truth be told, that they don't keep doing the same thing over and over again is part of their failing. Annual changes in management assure a constant state of flux, inhibiting execution of multi-year plans. That they successfully pull off the annual convention is really rather remarkable.

There are many reasons that membership represents such a small percentage of practicing farriers. Some of the reasons are failure points in the association. Some of the reasons are practicing farriers either having no interest/need for a national association or seeing no value add.

One thing I am sure of. Short of dramatic change in management process, association focus and increased membership, it is difficult to imagine how the AFA can become more effective on a national scale.

That is unfortunate. Without some kind of strong association administering required peer-reviewed credibility, I fear that U.S. farriers will forever be relegated to the perception of "strong backed, weak minded" iron hangers. A few people are trying very hard to change that perception, particularly among the veterinary and international community. It's an uphill battle with an unlikely positive prognosis.

Cheers,
Mark
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