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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:16 #46

So why did Dave F. have a problem with responding to his achievement in removeing farrier from the PA Vet. Act. ? Sounds like a great achievement. Remember when Henery Hemmering was doing the same thing for the trade?
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:22 #47

Mr. Burten,

It saddens me that you will not see me as a farrier with her very own opinions about the AFA. I really do believe in this group and although I prefer to think of us as an intellectual entity and not a corporation ( I feel our 501 C status is for tax and liability reasons). I am sorry and disapointed that you think I might be secretly speaking for my husband. I AM NOT/ AND HE AND I HAVE DIFFERING OPIONS ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES!!

That would serve you well to assume I would be able to influence my husbands thoughts would it not?

SO IS THAT IT? You will do some character assination of my husband who is truly NOT INVOLVED IN MY CHOICE TO POST MY OPIONS ON THIS SITE>>>


WELL I GUESS YOU ARE VERY SIMILAR TO MR. KRAMEDIJAM, IF YOU WILL LOOK BACK TO MY POST WERE I LISTED MY NAME.. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I CHOSE NOT TO ORIGANALLY POST MY NAME.

I HAVE MY OWN VOICE AND SPEAK ONLY FOR MYSELF. I SEE YOU ATTACKING R.T. AS A TRUELY DISGUSTING ACT... YOUR ARE VERY RIGHT IF HE HAD SOMETHING HE WANTED TO SHARE IN THIS FORUM HE WOULD!!!

I GUESS I SHOULD LEAVE THE AFA BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS A MEMBER?

IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GOOD AND KIND MAN I AM MARRIED TO YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I DO NOT SPIN NOR INTERPRET NOR HELP HIM FORM ANY OF HIS PERSONAL THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS!!

You are so wrong Mr. Burten...

Bunny Goodrich
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:26 #48

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Page 2 of the PF states the PF is the official publication of the AFA. It does not mention anywhere that it is owned by the AFA. The PF is a product of Ink and Anvil and many volenteers.
Phil,

Look at the cover of PF. there is a 'TM' after the word 'Farrier'. The name Professional Farrier is trademarked and owned by the AFA. If you will remember, after the split between the AFA and the AFJ, the board elected to publish its own in-house magazine. Thus was born the 'Professional Farrier' magazine. The AFA looked outside the AFA for someone to publish the magazine. The first publishing house was a disaster. I&A, to the best of my understanding was formed to present a publishing proposal to the AFA and if accepted, would publish the AFA's magazine, the Professional Farrier.

To that end, Paragraph 17 of the Publishing Agreement states:

"CLIENT, if necessary will secure copyright registration of publication in CLIENT's name.

The copyright in the publication shall be preserved and maintained or registered in the United States of America and PUBLISHER expressly disclaims any rights in any CLIENT trademarks (except for PUBLISHER's trade names) that aoppear in the publication. All terms of this paragraph are applicable to any portion or part of the publication, as well as the publication in its entirety."

Like I said, the AFA owns the PF and merely contracted with a vendor, Ink & Anvil to publish the magazine.

Hope that helps.
Rick Burten PF

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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:27 #49

Bunny I use to get that kind of treatment from Rick. It is Rick being Rick. I do not take it personal. Thank you for shareing what you know and bringing up some great questions and discussions.
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:29 #50

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Phil,
Not to get sidetracked here but lets not forget that the Pennsylvania Vet Practice Act is a travesty and a disgrace.

Mr. Ferguson taking credit for anything having to do with that is an embarrassment. He rightfully ought to distance himself from that issue.

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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:30 #51

Well, Mr. Burten and Phil, why would I&A owe anyone anything, this contradictes what you are stating:

Scott Davidson, CJF
Ink and Anvil INC.
N. 12212 Craig Road
Nine Mile Falls, WA 99026-8701


September 26, 2006


Dear Mr. Davidson,


In an effort to show continued good faith I called all members of the Executive Committee today to reiterate your request to reinstate Rick Garrison as the AFA’s project manager.
I regret to inform you this request was denied. Mike Nolan will remain as project manager until further notice.

I am advised to inform you on behalf of the EC if you feel you cannot comply with this directive, we are prepared to reach an agreement, which allows you to terminate the current contract without penalty.



Sincerely,



Dave Ferguson, CJF, TE
AFA President





CC: CC: EC, MN, M&L Gillis
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:31 #52

Rick it seems like the AFA is going through publishers like some horse owners go through farriers. We often hear the owners side of the story and not the farrier. Is there a problem?
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:33 #53

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Bunny I use to get that kind of treatment from Rick.
You get what you earn and usually, deserve.
It is Rick being Rick.
Isn't that what you just asked of me and ********d that I was not being?
I do not take it personal.
Why not? It was meant to be personal. And thought provoking.
Thank you for shareing what you know and bringing up some great questions and discussions.
Not quite the response you penned when I made certain facts known. What's up with that?
Rick Burten PF

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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:35 #54

George Geist wrote:
Phil,
Not to get sidetracked here but lets not forget that the Pennsylvania Vet Practice Act is a travesty and a disgrace.

Mr. Ferguson taking credit for anything having to do with that is an embarrassment. He rightfully ought to distance himself from that issue.

George

Travesty or not, removeing farrier from the act is a great achievement.
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:41 #55

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Rick it seems like the AFA is going through publishers like some horse owners go through farriers. We often hear the owners side of the story and not the farrier. Is there a problem?
Phil,

I'm not sure what you are asking. A problem with whom?
As you know, anytime there is a business relationship, there can be problems that lead to a dissolution of that relationship. The AFA leadership has the responsibility of looking out for the interests of the AFA. When those interests are in conflict with a vendor, and no mutual agreement can be reached, then, as in any business, the relationship is severed.
Rick Burten PF

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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:48 #56

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TRUTH SEEKER wrote:
I have an extremely strong desire to not ruin anyones character and I believe we can let out all of this information and still work together to better our group. I really like all the farriers that I come in contact with...this includes Dave, I just do not know what we are doing what the goals of our group are, and Dave has not given us any info for quite some time now.

I know we all have idiosyncrasies that may make us difficult, at times, to work with, but Mr. Nolan is not a farrier, he's not one of us, Scott Davidson's one of us... Dave Fergusons is one of us, Ron and Rick and every farrier, AFA member or not is one of us!!

I really cannot believe the amount of descrution our acting ED is causing. He stated he does not do sponsorships, he does not do news letters, He does not do trade shows, and he was put in a position to be a thorn in the side of our magazines publisher... He applied twice for the job he's now in and was not chosen...

In my opinion if he left perhaps this could be the first step to us reunifying..
Bunny,

It would seem that you, and others, are under the misimpression that Mike Nolan is operating in a vacuum and that the EC, ALL FARRIERS, has not had any ability to control him. I really hate to spoil your fantasy, but everything I have seen says Mike is executing the policy that the EC has told him to execute.

I&A are contract employees of the AFA and as such, the EC and the ED are responsible for supervising their activities according to the terms of the contract. The EC has in fact exercised its right under the contract and as a contract employee, who wrote the contract, I&A does not have the option of choosing who is the project manager. Under the terms of the contract, the AFA does. Period, FULL STOP.

Have I misread the contract that I&A produced, refused to negotiate changes to and finally signed? Have I missed the clause that says that I&A only have to honor the contract if they like what they are being asked to do? Please point those clauses out to me, I want to be as enlightened as you.
Rick Burten PF

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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:49 #57

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Sorry Phil,
The whole law should have been killed. The fact that it got through in its present form will make it very easy to amend it at a future date to include farriers.

The law could have been easily killed because that was before the AFA was a 501(c)(3). Another thing rammed through that nobody even heard about till it was a fait accompli.

Killing the bill would have been a great achievement. Letting it get through was a great failure not unlike surrendering the sudedenland.

It will spread to more states because of that appeasement.

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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:55 #58

Rick

I feel like I really need to make this clear!

I am choosing to call you Rick, because you may in the near future be the AFA President.....

I truly in my heart believe we can all get along. I want the AFA to proceed with educational goals and public identity, I do not want to break, ruin, or destroy, I support my EC but feel misinformed. I have brought information to this site because I feel it is valid and should be known.

After the shock of seeing emails from others posted ....I just want some kind of normalcy to happen: What are we doing? Our goals, and desires for our group... I am not trying to embaress or hurt anyone, if sharing these emails brings some new understanding to the members that we need to know what is happening than that would be good!

Bunny
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:56 #59

Good thread, keep it going. I am going to bed.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:Ink & Anvil censorship controversy 12 Oct 2006 02:56 #60

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WELL I GUESS YOU ARE VERY SIMILAR TO MR. KRAMEDIJAM, IF YOU WILL LOOK BACK TO MY POST WERE I LISTED MY NAME.. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I CHOSE NOT TO ORIGANALLY POST MY NAME.
Bunny,

It is specifically because I respect your husband that I have not and will not take you to task for the things that I would like to take you to task for. I consider it simply bad form to exposed my opponents wife to the treatment that I believe she deserves.

However, because I am a gentleman I tried to develop a gentleman’s agreement with RT that would allow both of us to be positive and forward looking in our campaign. You chose to insert yourself into that conversation even though you were not a party to the conversation by reading RT's email for him and replying using his email account. It is unfortunate for RT that you choose to violate the privacy of our conversation, not only by inserting yourself, but by also by violating our privacy by posting our private correspondence on this forum. BTW, did you have RT's permission to violate our privacy?
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