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TOPIC: Natural Balance Certification

RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 01:10 #16

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How about the goal being REALLY sound instead?
Patty

Everything is relative.

e.g. A horse that is sound for a Grand Prix Dressage test isn't sound for a 100 mi endurance race, and a horse that is sound for a 100 mi isn't sound for a grand prix dressage test.
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 05:10 #17

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Corey that would eb a training issue not a soundness issue.
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 05:45 #18

Donald Ruff wrote:
Corey that would eb a training issue not a soundness issue.
Don

Nah... I think it's a semantic issue. Soundness is relative or relational to purpose / usage. I don't have my old copy of Lameness in Horses at hand, but O.R. Adams starts it off with a nice definition of soundness, where he talks about soundness being related to what you're asking of the animal.

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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 06:07 #19

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Danvers,
I was looking at it from a different view.
Totally understand that the level of performance asked and the way the horse moves through that desired performance level at which ever gait, dictates it soundness to that particular performance event.
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 07:31 #20

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danverschild wrote:
Nah... I think it's a semantic issue. Soundness is relative or relational to purpose / usage. I don't have my old copy of Lameness in Horses at hand, but O.R. Adams starts it off with a nice definition of soundness, where he talks about soundness being related to what you're asking of the animal.

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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 08:56 #21

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calshoer-How about the goal being REALLY sound instead?
If I manage to improve on "relatively" sound.
No horse is "Really" sound. One can find "holes" in all horses.



I consider my shoeing a success. :D There are certain anatomical rules that have been found to hold true for nearly every foot.
Glad you said "Nearly every foot", a set of rules is releative to each horse's conformational aspects; legs,body conformation and feet.


In NB that is the trim base that build thye rest of the shoeing. Then from that base the shoeing applicances can be chosen and adjusted to the horses needs.
Not only in "NB" but other methodologies of trimming is basic or a basis.



But the trim rules have held consistantly true when the feet are checked radiographially.
Other techinques do the same. I'll take one from the NBS playbook, "If the trimming methodologies are done properly":D



Have a wonky foundation , and the whole building is going to be wonky. As long as the foundation is consistantly true, you can build anything you need to on top of it.
In a lot of cases, "Rome" wasn't built in a Day.
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 09:19 #22

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If you have ever heard Mitch Taylor,CJF give a presentation on anatomy, he usually starts off with these words: "The horses foot is dynamic and elastic. It is constantly remodeling according to weight bearing."

I think this fits well with Jaye's Horses "are ever changing organisms". Except that Jaye goes beyond the foot to include the entire horse.

My philosophy is along the lines of e=mC2 - "Everything is relative."
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 09:26 #23

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tbloomer-If you have ever heard Mitch Taylor,CJF give a presentation on anatomy, he usually starts off with these words: "The horses foot is dynamic and elastic. It is constantly remodeling according to weight bearing."

I think this fits well with Jaye's Horses "are ever changing organisms". Except that Jaye goes beyond the foot to include the entire horse.
if ya don't include the "Entire horse" one is just applying foot protection
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Jaye Perry wrote:
if ya don't include the "Entire horse" one is just applying foot protection
Do you account for a horse's personality, heart, work ethic, and intelligence in your shoeing decisions? It is these unmeasureable things that I want to learn to account for along with the physically measureable and thus more predictable attributes. Jaye, I've got to get with you so some of that Zen/Mojo stuff rubs off on me. :)
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 07 Oct 2006 23:54 #25

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tbloomer wrote:
Do you account for a horse's personality, heart, work ethic, and intelligence in your shoeing decisions? It is these unmeasureable things that I want to learn to account for along with the physically measureable and thus more predictable attributes. Jaye, I've got to get with you so some of that Zen/Mojo stuff rubs off on me. :)
It's not Zen, Mojo, Budda or Papal indenties.

It was Holmes FWCF (paraphrased because Maki has my copy):
" It should be remembered by the farrier that no parts of the horse are 'Unnecessary'. Each part has it's own particular function. If one part ceases to function, extra work is thrown upon it's remaining parts. Thus, for all parts to be equal every part has to be working in harmony with it's neighbor".circa 1890

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RE:Natural Balance Certification 08 Oct 2006 01:20 #26

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Jaye Perry wrote:
It's not Zen, Mojo, Budda or Papal indenties.

It was Holmes FWCF (paraphrased because Maki has my copy):
" It should be remembered by the farrier that no parts of the horse are 'Unnecessary'. Each part has it's own particular function. If one part ceases to function, extra work is thrown upon it's remaining parts. Thus, for all parts to be equal every part has to be working in harmony with it's neighbor".circa 1890

"For one to go into the future, one must understand the past grasshopper:D ." Kung Fu, circa 1973
Ok, so you can't shoe geldings to perform like stallions. I get that. :p
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 08 Oct 2006 01:22 #27

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Bro. Jaye Perry in italics, deletia

It's not Zen, Mojo, Budda or Papal indenties.

It was Holmes FWCF (paraphrased because Maki has my copy):
" It should be remembered by the farrier that no parts of the horse are 'Unnecessary'. Each part has it's own particular function. If one part ceases to function, extra work is thrown upon it's remaining parts. Thus, for all parts to be equal every part has to be working in harmony with it's neighbor".circa 1890


As I see it, no matter what they're doing, if they've been doing it long enough to get really good at it, they've all got some pieces missing.:)
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 08 Oct 2006 14:48 #28

I trim and shoe every horse using NB principle, period. I use a variety of shoes. In my opinion using NB shoes does not make you a NB farrier, using the principles does. Phil
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RE:Natural Balance Certification 08 Oct 2006 15:16 #29

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Nah... I think it's a semantic issue. Soundness is relative or relational to purpose / usage. I don't have my old copy of Lameness in Horses at hand, but O.R. Adams starts it off with a nice definition of soundness, where he talks about soundness being related to what you're asking of the animal.
That's an excuse by farriers and vets to avoid dealing enough with subtle man made unsoundnesses that WE and the riders usually create. Its MY definition of soundness (and there are plenty of truly sound horses in the world) .....If the horse can move to the maximum of his genetic conformational ability, totally pain free, he is sound.
If he can not move according to his conformational potential due to discomfort (subtle or not) he is not sound. Pretty simple.
Yes there are a lot of unsound horses in the world ,(most from man made issues) but there care also plenty of sound ones. And I've seen too many supposedly 'sound' horses become even better with shoeing or trimming changes. Horses already doing their job well, but then begin to move even better, improve performance, be more willing to do the job....its all in how high a bar you set for the definition.
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