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TOPIC: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring

AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 14 Jun 2012 23:37 #1

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If you've not already seen it, the AAEP and AVMA have taken a stronger position regarding the practice of soring Tennessee Walking Horses.

www.aaep.org/press_room.php?term=2012&id=487

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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 15 Jun 2012 02:50 #2

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Thank God there's people taking action. and it's the larger associations in the US.
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 15 Jun 2012 04:34 #3

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seminolewind wrote:
Thank God there's people taking action. and it's the larger associations in the US.

Would have been nice to see a farrier's association take the lead.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 15 Jun 2012 08:06 #4

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Yup. It kinda looks like everyone but.....
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 15 Jun 2012 18:58 #5

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This type of manuever has to be done very carefully. Judge Gash made a similar ruling back in the 80's and banned shoes weighing more than a pound on show horses. This managed to shut down TWH shows, draft shows, dressage shows, Saddlebred shows, just to name a few. It was a disaster that fortunately was quickly rectified.

Remove the packages and the TWH people will find a way to ramp up the soring to get the action. I don't think this is a good idea to use a device that is used in other forms in other disciplines to achieve specific purpose as a means to enforce a law that simply needs to be enforced. If the Federal Government would give the USDA the funds and personnel to enforce the law it would be accomplished in short order. Congress has never viewed the Horse Protection Act as an important matter. I view this "call to action" over the use of action devices much more of a political manuever that would simply give Congress another excuse to not fund the USDA in the manner it needs.

The other breed associations also using action devices and other devices for training purposes will be against this potentially broad sweeping legislation as it could be easily spread to encompass their disciplines with a fervent group, such as PETA, demanding that all horses be treated equally to eliminate any potential allegations of discrimination.

If we want this to stop, we will need to call on Congress to give the USDA suficient resources to get the job done. They just would rather send many of our very questionable "friends" overseas large funds to feed their hungry which actually wind up in the pockets of politicians that, in turn, support our enemies.

Just a bit of a soapbox.

A true "call to action" would entail that the USDA have its personnel increased, its funds for testing and enforcement increased and this will result in more crackdowns on the problem. Even if this action device legislation were enacted, there would still be no funds available even to enforce this ruling so it would not have any more "teeth" than the current rules do. Let's have the farrier associations take this stand so somehting can really get accomplished and get the AAEP and AVMA to follow our lead in real enforcement, not creating new legislation to make it appear as if something is being done when it actually is not.

Here's the real scoop:
www.americanfarriers.com/pages/Videos-Ke...iminating-Soring.php

M. W, Myers, DVM
President - Board of Directors
American Horse Protection Association
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 15 Jun 2012 20:20 #6

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Thank You Dr Myers. One of my pet peeves with politicians is how they enact legislation that gets their name out but they never look at the money required. I have asked at times "What law do you intend to delete if you pass this new one?" I get a blank look and continue. "There is no money to enforce existing law, what is accomplished with more law that won't be enforced?
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The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 15 Jun 2012 23:38 #7

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If there is a ban on the mechanical gait enhancers, wouldn't those involved just rely more on chemical enhancers?

It would be funny if they passed a law that limits the height that the front legs can go.
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 16 Jun 2012 14:56 #8

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seminolewind wrote:
If there is a ban on the mechanical gait enhancers, wouldn't those involved just rely more on chemical enhancers?

It would be funny if they passed a law that limits the height that the front legs can go.

Then they would apply it to hunters and jumpers for those special interest groups that don't want horses leaving the ground. One has to be extremely careful of law passage as the law is "interpreted" in the courts and this can be very far reaching.

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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 16 Jun 2012 16:35 #9

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How about a $10,000.00 fine and a five year suspension from the show ring for any horse, trainer and owner ticketed for soring a horse? How about in addition to those penalties, a mandatory three year prison term with no possibility of parole, for a second offense and doubling for each offense thereafter? How about permanently revoking the judge's card for any one ticketed for soring or exhibiting a horse? How about a ban from holding office in any professional association for anyone who has been ticketed for soring or exhibiting a horse?

For the purpose of this discussion, "soring' is defined as any activity either during training or at a horse show, employing mechanical or chemical means to get a TWH to perform what is referred to as "The Big Lick".

And, while we're at it, lets do the same sort of thing for anyone convicted of dog or cock fighting.
Rick Burten PF

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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 16 Jun 2012 21:21 #10

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How bout anyone caught in the process of soring will be shot on site, and given a $10,000 reward, or the horse.
Karen Fletcher
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 16 Jun 2012 21:48 #11

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Do the farrier organizations have a clause in their section on ethics to 'do no intentional harm' or 'never apply shoes or trim a horses feet for the intentional purpose of causing pain to change a horses action'? Or maybe word it like 'refuse to apply shoes or trims requested by the owner if you believe those shoes or trim is detrimental to the comfort or health of the horse'. If not, this seems a good time to initiate one.
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 16 Jun 2012 22:03 #12

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Katy Watts wrote:
Do the farrier organizations have a clause in their section on ethics to 'do no intentional harm' or 'never apply shoes or trim a horses feet for the intentional purpose of causing pain to change a horses action'? Or maybe word it like 'refuse to apply shoes or trims requested by the owner if you believe those shoes or trim is detrimental to the comfort or health of the horse'. If not, this seems a good time to initiate one.

The type of behaviour which you describe would be illegal in the U.K.
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 17 Jun 2012 02:17 #13

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Katy,

The problem is that the farrier associations are paper lions. Most, of those farriers that are shoeing the BLTWHs aren't even members. For that matter, most farriers in the United States aren't members of a national farrier's association.
Rick Burten PF

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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 17 Jun 2012 02:42 #14

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smytheson wrote:
The type of behaviour which you describe would be illegal in the U.K.

It is here too, but as Dr. Myers pointed out, our bureaucrats write laws without providing adequate funding for enforcement, so a lot of laws are considered jokes. Even on the rare occasions that horse abusers in the show business are caught, they generally just get a slap on the wrist by the breed organization. All our systems are run by bureaucrats whose main goal is to stay in power and draw their salary. The breed organizations involved won't do anything because of the strong politics in showing. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. We pretty much assume that all bureaucrats are ineffectual so we just consider it business as usual. Apathy prevails. The abusers continue to 'train' in the background, unofficially because owners want to win. Nobody really cares about the horses as long as they have a full trophy room to show off. The breed organizations involved won't do anything because of the strong politics in showing. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Re: AAEP & AVMA Position on Walking Horse Soring 18 Jun 2012 02:32 #15

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Here we have it from the "horse's mouth" of a sort as a Congressman makes a plea to fund the USDA efforts to enforce the Horse Protection Act. The finding of around ten violations per show is abhorrent, but what is worse there are less than a hundred shows inspected by the USDA annually.



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