Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:Yes I'm sure and clearly you didn't appreciate when I said that it was in direct reply to your assertion (that I also quoted and which I'd have thought might have been a clue).
I don't beleive you are, you have been spouting off in several threads about the way we americans do things and we need to be regulated and that will save all. When the fact is we already have the regulations, most people don't even know they are in place.
From a previous post by you.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:IMO there needs to be regulation to protect the horses and drivers from mad selfish motorists and from overwork and abuse and misuse.
I beleive that was covered in the link I provided. They are only allowed to operate on certain streets within town. Were only allowed to work a certain number of hours per day.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:I find it "interesting" that folks want regulation and banning for carriage horses in New York when there's absolutely zilch elsewhere to protect horses in the USA.
Perhaps you should go back and look thru the USDA horse protection act and the animal welfare act as well. If you go to the last link which is the federal registry of regulations you search and look at any regulation on file.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:IMO there ought to be effective regulation and enforced standards of welfare and for all horses. Whether or not they're being used commercially and for ridden and driven activity.
But I know that just isn't politically or socially acceptable there and it's very different here.
Once again you should take a look at the USDA website.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:In the UK commercial horse drawn vehicles are licenced and very strictly regulated. But then we are altogether more regulated. All Equestrian Centres are regulated and licenced as are all Riding Instructors and Horse Trainers. Each and every horse being used commercially is examined at the very least annually. Likewise for where they're kept. Every single equid in the UK has to have it's own passport. Farriery is licenced and regulated etc etc. So for us regulation and licencing is pretty much standard place.
According to the regulations I posted carriage horses are regulated and must be inspected annually by a veterinarian. Although our horses don't have passports. You are required if crossing state lines to have a current health certificate and a negative coggins test. Also in some states out west if the livestock is branded you must have a brand certifcate for the animal. In kansas City MS. there is a port of entry, as well as other places throughout the U.S. in which any livestock being transported thru must stop and be inspected.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:That's how a lot of companies operate all over Europe. The horses are trucked into the city for a week or two then back to pasture land and turn out for a couple of days. With strict rules about their health and how many hours they can work and where. What sort of harness is used and what kind of vehicle and whether according to it's size and weight once loaded, it's drawn by a single horse or a pair of horses. What the driver's competence is and checking it. Time to stop the incompetent and abusive from compromising the whole business.
Thats is how my customer operates as well. Her horses are kept a few miles out of town and are trailered in and out daily. I beleive all the rules you listed were covered under the link that I posted.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:You don't have compulsory identity of horses and so there's no record of how many there are. Hence you aren't able to define the size of the total population group and in turn to produce an incidence rate.
That means you can't do a comparison.
Once again you are spouting about something that you have no clue. Every so often the county assesor comes to my house and takes a look around counting the number of livestock on my property, the amount of equipment I own, buildings and there uses etc. so that our government can collect taxes on them. Sure there are probably some animals that slip thru and don't get counted across the U.S., which probably happens in your country as well. The USDA would have these figures.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:But don't let that stop you from asserting that no-one else is even allowed an opinion!
So far your opinions about this country IMO are misconstrued, you make it sound as though we just run around over here with no laws or regulations and just do as we please at the sake of abuseing our animals. It's people like you that give the animal rights movement fuel for the fire.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:If you read carefully you'd see that I mentioned being in New York; in fact the last time was just a brief stay and prior to getting a flight to San Francisco and then a change to Los Angeles with a further change there to go to Medford, Oregon and then a 2 hour drive to get to my friends ranch 20 miles from Broadbent.
Hot Damn you hopped a couple of flights and spent some time in one state, a 2hr drive in Oregon won't get you very far. Must not be a very big ranch I have been to a couple it would take an hour just to get down the driveway. So that makes you an expert on our laws and regulations and the way we transport and handle our horses and livestock in this country.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:But don't let your prejudicial jingoistic stereotypes stop you from deciding what I know about geography and travel !
So are you calling me a racist or what. My opinion of your knowledge about this country is based on my personal experience of living her for thirty years. Growing up on a family farm raising livestock, and now raising 60 head of cattle of my own as well as owning 16 horses. I have driven numerous miles across this country hauling livestock for sale or to rodeos. I have customers who operate businesses in this country under the regulations that we have. The only thing that I see from your opinions is they are based on the small percentage of the bad people in this country who are uneducated or just plain negligent.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:Perhaps you should look again.... where did I say you had "no governmental regulation"
See above, well I geuss you didn't come out and say it, but you did a lot of insinuating that we needed it when in fact it is already in place.
Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:So I'm guessing from your contributions here that you think that nothing should change at all and folks should just mind their own business because it's all working marvelously as it is.
Sounds like a plan..... NOT!!!
No, I beleive I stated that maybe we need to enforce the regulations we have and not make more that will not be enforced. I know it is working a little better than what it is portrayed by the animal rights associations and you.