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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 10:11 #391

Mike Ferrara
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Rick Burten wrote:

Mike,
I think this is spot on. I think the concept of CEs as envisioned by the AFA is to include both the 'classroom' and the practical aspects of our profession. As soon as the AFA gets a better handle awarding other conferences, seminars and clinics CE hours, I think you'll be much more satisfied with the program. Programs such as the On-line conference here, the IHCS, Palm Beach, Rochester, etc, all seem to me to fit the requirements and need to be added to the CE list.

If we want to get way out in left field, wouldn't you like to see someone be able to earn some CE credits by spending a day or more with another farrier who is recognized as have expertise in one or more areas of interest and specialization . For instance, if I went and rode with Bob Lanners, Rick Medd, Andy Elsbry, et al, so that I could further my skill and knowledge as it relates to trimming and shoeing long footed horses, should that too not qualify? If I go to Bob Marshall's or Chris Gregory's , etc to hone my skills, should that too not be able to garner CE credits?

Should attending a Pete Ramey, Jamie Jackson, Pete Seeley, Gene Ovnicek
et al, clinic count towards CE credits?

IOW, why should CE credits be limited to only AFA events, and what criteria should we use to determine what other events should qualify and how many CE credits to award to each?

I agree with all of the above but I suppose there needs to be some limits/criteria. Otherwise you'll have people attending the Mickey the Mope shool of astrological horse shoeing and wanting CE credits. LOL

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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 10:19 #392

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George Geist wrote:

Mike,
For what earthly reason did your organization allow an unqualified guy to get his journeyman papers? That sounds like mismanagement at its worst. If you really needed one you could have called the hiring hall and they would have sent one.

To do as you said doesn't serve the best interests of the company or the union. Aside from the union stuff I would consider you or any other guy working on his own to be a journeyman horseshoer.

According to the union, he was qualified. Had the company refused to sign the form (which didn't contain any false statements), the employee would have filed a grievance and more time, money and effort would be expended.

I wouldn't have been eligeable because I wasn't a union member.

For those who see an elitist or "ol boy" mentality among certain groups, maybe it's there, maybe it's not. Throughout my working life I've noticed that whenever I made what I thought was a step up, I found myself at the bottom of a new pile. Maybe some of you experienced that too. Just a thought.
George

That is the truth.

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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 11:55 #393

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Rick Burten wrote:

Trouble was that my fingers engaged before my mind was in gear

. I managed to do it twice this morning, so I owe you the same apology as I made to Phil.

Rick

No disrespect to Phil, but I would like my own personal customized apology rather than one that has already beed given to Phil. I'm also pretty certain that Phil would prefer not to share apologies.

As my buddy used to say, "Don't put your fingers no place your face won't go."

Tom Bloome, CF

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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.

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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 13:14 #394

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tbloomer wrote:

No disrespect to Phil, but I would like my own personal customized apology rather than one that has already beed given to Phil. I'm also pretty certain that Phil would prefer not to share apologies.

Ask and ye shall receive: With bended fingers I seek your forgiveness for my not so inexcusable action where by I inadvertently struck the wrong key in a response to you and thereby caused you what has apparently become an unmitigated psychic pain and embaressment to your delicate persona. For this irreverant , unintentional faux pas, I apologize and promise to never again allow this to happen. Unless it does.

As my buddy used to say, "Don't put your fingers no place your face won't go."

As we have met personally, and as you are an astute observer of the human condition, I am sure that you noted that the probiscus which graces my countenance has some degree of prominence. That being the case, it stands to reason that I was adhering to your buddy's advise since it is demonstrable that my face, represented by my probiscus could indeed go right where my fingers went. In this case, to the keyboard.

Tom Bloome, CF

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Rick Burte, CJF

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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 13:40 #395

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Mike Ferrara wrote:

I agree with all of the above but I suppose there needs to be some limits/criteria. Otherwise you'll have people attending the Mickey the Mope shool of astrological horse shoeing and wanting CE credits. LOL

And this would be bad because?

Mike,
I note that you use the word "shool" above. Now, considering my religious persuasion, I believe you are referring to a synagogue. Thus, attending Mikey the Mope's course would also be a religious experience? You may be on to something here. If his shool is Orthodox, then by definition, the course of study would be 'traditional' , right. If the shool is Conservative, then the course of study would be less traditional and would incorporate some new ideas, right? If the shool is 'Reform' then the course of study would be rather left of Orthodox but not completely disavowing the traditional movement, right? If the shool is "Progressive", then the course of study has basically abandonded the traditional(Orthodox) and embraced the Neuvo-Modern(which could be considered by some to be the liberated natural view), right?

Or, does Mickey's shool offer a course for each of the listed persuasions? If so, do they run simultaneously or must each be taught separately so that none appears to infringe on the beliefs of the others?

Did Mickey attend Yeshiva University and attain his degree in Astrological horseshoeing, or is he a lay leader who one day saw the light and converted to Astrological horseshoeing and having undergone this epiphany, began to preach his own Sermon on the Mount(ed horse) to those who were wandering dazed, lost and confused in the maze of existant hoofcare?

Has Mickey ever been asked to speak before a gathering of dis-believers? Does he use power point in his discussions? Has he written any articles or books, and if so, have they been published or otherwise disseminated?

Does Mickey use a star chart or crystal ball to arrive at a trimming and/or shoeing protocol?

Inquiring minds just want to know!

Rick Burten PF

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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 14:03 #396

Mike Ferrara OFFLINE Guru Posts: 5057 Thank you received: 3 Karma: 0	Rick Burten wrote: And this would be bad because? Well, I don't know. Mike, I note that you use the word "shool" above. Now, considering my religious persuasion, I believe you are referring to a synagogue. ... I will now excuse myself and go type "school" 100 times.
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RE:licensing 18 Feb 2006 14:54 #397

Rick Burten OFFLINE Enforcer Posts: 9082 Thank you received: 50 Karma: 8	Mike Ferrara wrote: I will now excuse myself and go type "school" 100 times. No, No, don't do that. It was way more (I hope everyone understands)fun with the word misspelled Perhaps Mickey's shool also endorses cessapol(sic) as the hoofcare product of choice.
	Rick Burten PF In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever." ." Je pense donc je suis The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:licensing 19 Feb 2006 13:14 #398

tbloomer OFFLINE Master Posts: 4622 Thank you received: 20 Karma: 1	Rick Burten wrote: In keeping with your signature style as evidenced immediately above, I remain, Rick Burte, CJF Touch . . . e' Mr. Burte' Tom Bloomer
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RE:licensing 31 Mar 2009 12:52 #399

ladyblacksmith OFFLINE Master Posts: 1436 Karma: 0	More opinions along the way in this old thread too! ________ Ford model u
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RE:licensing 06 Aug 2009 06:02 #400

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Moved from the Vermont thread
Clint Burrell wrote:

What guise? Haven't had anyone ask for my license or AFA card.

The way it is going to roll (if the state of California is any kind of indicator) the state tax board will give the names of persons who are sole proprietors to the local municipalities who will then decide if it is in the city or counties best interest to levy a tax on those individuals. I have a City of Los Angeles business license and I pay a city tax as do the majority of my contemporaries. This is the way that you will one day be licensed. There will be no test as to your competence, simply a levy of your income.

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RE:licensing 06 Aug 2009 06:38 #401

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T.N. Trosin wrote:

Moved from the Vermont threadClint Burrell;168836 wrote:

The way it is going to roll (if the state of California is any kind of indicator) the state tax board will give the names of persons who are sole proprietors to the local municipalities who will then decide if it is in the city or counties best interest to levy a tax on those individuals. I have a City of Los Angeles business license and I pay a city tax as do the majority of my contemporaries. This is the way that you will one day be licensed. There will be no test as to your competence, simply a levy of your income.

That I would agree as to the "licensing" issue. Won't have anything to do w/ your ability to preform a task/job,but a way to garnish your wages for working.

Have a good one,

Clint Burrell

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but you don't seem to bright.
You just brought a swichblade
to a pistol fight"
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RE:licensing 06 Aug 2009 12:16 #402

Gary Hill OFFLINE Guru Posts: 5298 Thank you received: 6 Karma: 4	California has a way of overtaxing everything! So many folks are moving here from there, with a really bad taste in their mouths from gov interference.
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RE:licensing 15 Aug 2009 11:47 #403

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	............. and they are still broke. Once California hits the fetal position it will be the greatest place to live because they will wake up. Cycle of life.
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