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TOPIC: funding for research or junk science???

funding for research or junk science??? 17 Jul 2011 20:42 #1

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In politics many people see things as black and white but in reality there can be many shades of gray.

On the national scene, politicians and decision makers must wrestle with issues like: How do we cut funding for lazy welfare bums without hurting the truly needy?
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How do we successfully stick it to Exxon Mobil without hurting a successful small time businessman?

Looking at the big picture there really are no easy answers to this.

In our trade, moneys have been raised and donated for research to different universities in recent years. I've always thought this to be a good thing. I've seen advances made in laminitis research as well as other areas which have benefitted all of us and the horses most especially.

Other side of the coin is folks the likes of Dr.s Bowker, Tesky et al have made a pretty good living spreading propaganda and wreaking as much havoc as they could on this industry fueled by research money.

Simple solution to starving out such crackpots is to defund them. Not only would it bring an end to junk science but they might even have to seek other employment. Cool huh?

Question is how can agenda driven charlatans be zero funded without hurting legitimate scientists doing good useful work?

Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 17 Jul 2011 21:22 #2

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It's all about who can write the best grant proposals, when it comes to getting the MONEY not which has the most possible merit or postive effect on the industry.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 01:52 #3

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George Geist wrote:
In politics many people see things as black and white but in reality there can be many shades of gray.

On the national scene, politicians and decision makers must wrestle with issues like: How do we cut funding for lazy welfare bums without hurting the truly needy?
George

May as well stop there. It's not the governments job to see to it that everybody has what they need.

As to the rest, government funding of academia has created a real monster that costs far more than it's worth.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 02:53 #4

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brian robertson wrote:
It's all about who can write the best grant proposals, when it comes to getting the MONEY not which has the most possible merit or postive effect on the industry.


This begs the question- how many grants have you applied for and been turned down? If you have not applied for any, there really doesn't seem to be much room to complain (that goes for everyone).
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 03:00 #5

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to whom can we apply? LOL.:D I'm ready to do some research!!!
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 03:01 #6

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The AFA has a research fund (for starters).

Here is another:
http://www.aqha.com/en/Foundation/Content-Pages/Equine-Research.aspx
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 03:35 #7

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reillyshoe wrote:
The AFA has a research fund (for starters).

Here is another:
http://www.aqha.com/en/Foundation/Content-Pages/Equine-Research.aspx
Grayson Jockey Club Research Foundation is another one amongst countless others guys. Many contributions even come from private individuals.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 03:43 #8

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George Geist wrote:
Grayson Jockey Club Research Foundation is another one amongst countless others guys. Many contributions even come from private individuals.
George


George, do you think the private individuals may be pushing an agenda though? Just curious.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 04:01 #9

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George, do you think the private individuals may be pushing an agenda though? Just curious.
Hard to say. In some cases possibly. In other cases they might be duped like most folks who give to organizations like PETA.

I really doubt the AFA would fund bad research. I've been glad to see them spending money in those areas. I've given to Grayson Jockey Club myself.

There are some organizations out there who are very misleading. One I know of appears to donors to be about catastrophic injury research but in reality is an anti-slaughter group. Others are mere money making scams set up as charities. This is perfectly legal under our laws. Can anybody tell what ground breaking research has come from Ralph Casey's place? To his credit at least he doesn't spew forth anti-shoeing nonsense.

Money is the mothers milk of these parasites posing as researchers usually in academia. Most of these people have I bet never ridden a horse in their lives much less shod one. I'd just like to find ways to make their funding dry up without harming the good folks doing good work out there.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 04:10 #10

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George Geist wrote:
Can anybody tell what ground breaking research has come from Ralph Casey's place? To his credit at least he doesn't spew forth anti-shoeing nonsense.


well George, no worries, cause Casey is on a wagon ride to DC to get answers for the small business man. :rolleyes:
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 10:17 #11

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Rick Talbert wrote:
to whom can we apply? LOL.:D I'm ready to do some research!!!
You can apply to the AFA

Click here
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 15:37 #12

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Lol..lol... Rick there is got to be more to this...what's the story ..and is he just gonna walk in and demand someone give him the info he is looking for....or is this using some of that research money to take one hell of a wagon ride and a form of self promotion..
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 18 Jul 2011 17:05 #13

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Travis Reed wrote:
Lol..lol... Rick there is got to be more to this...what's the story ..and is he just gonna walk in and demand someone give him the info he is looking for....or is this using some of that research money to take one hell of a wagon ride and a form of self promotion..

I will say, he has definately got the juevos to do just that. I went to a "clinic" at his school a while back ( just a few months after the clinic at Jaye's). It turned out to be nothing more than a sales pitch for money to build a new school on 800 acres he had talked the state into giving him.

I don't know whatever happened with that but I will say, the man is not backwards about asking for what he wants. Not that that's always a bad thing.

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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 19 Jul 2011 00:57 #14

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brian robertson wrote:
It's all about who can write the best grant proposals,

AND being affiliated with a university. Most of the funding agency's will not pay salary for the researcher; only cost of research. They expect they are already salaried. So unless someone is independently wealthy, or has a good retirement, they cannot afford to do research.
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RE:funding for research or junk science??? 19 Jul 2011 01:24 #15

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Travis Reed wrote:
Lol..lol... Rick there is got to be more to this...what's the story ..and is he just gonna walk in and demand someone give him the info he is looking for....or is this using some of that research money to take one hell of a wagon ride and a form of self promotion..

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