John,

Could you tell us which publications/venues/web sites/clinics that you find most informative and maybe why you find them as you do?


Thanks in advance

Ray Steele

About Hoofcare and Lameness Mag, well- that's low. There's a few threads about this on here and tons of people saying they were taken....last I checked, that's called theft.

With the AFA's Pro Farrier- same thing. People pay a fee expecting a product. I'm willing to bet that some Farriers paid the membership fee just because they got a monthly issue of Pro Farrier. That was probably a nice tie-it-altogether feature. I think the AFA should continue with it and give everyone free hats, tee-shirts, and coupons to their online store to say thank you for staying with us.

As a subscriber to any publication, I prefer a tangible paper-based mag and an online site for videos.

Smitty, The AFJ provides a great mag and a good website (they need more videos)...anyhow...what's not to like?

Peters Shoeing wrote:
She'll take your money and send you nothing. And has no problem with it.

Jack

Not sure how you handle the office work, but good your busy. Dr Brooks has Sean doing most of his stuff doesn't he?

Gilreath Horseshoeing wrote:
Why don't all the people who got took get someth ing done about...like others have said I have seen complaints many many times.....I have no idea what the deal was but its pretty clear if one pays for a service and do not get the service or only gets part of it ...you can get ur money back or at a pro rated rate deducting what parts you did get...also on this it would be a small claim and no lawyer would be needed...but if many have been took you can all join with each other and also go for fees it cost you if you win...it seems it would be more about the point of the whole thing to get ur money back...

Travis Reed wrote:
I turned her in to the Better Businesses Bureau, the I called the sheriff office and he said to file a complaint, so a complaint was filed with the state of Massachusetts. They tried repeatedly to contact her and get a response. She never returned their calls. She probably recognized the number. They asked me if I wanted to appear in court. I said no, because after I flew up at my expense and paid court cost it wouldn't be worth it.

We'll you tried I can't say I blame you...no need to get into more debt with them... I could deal with them if they just call and say hey we have used the money on the magz and we are unable to meet the need and we will try to get ur refund ...just be up front would be better than the duck and dodge..

Travis Reed wrote:
She told me she doesn't give refunds.

Like I said, she takes your money and sends nothing. Guess she has time to do her blog but not put out a magazine, as advertised. Last I checked, she is still taking money for the magazine.

Fran has told me that when you buy a subscription it guarantees you a certain number of magazines. It does not say you'll get those magazines in a prescribed period of time. So, it may take years, but you will receive the number of magazines for which you paid. At my age, I'm leaving my subscription as a bequest in my will...............

Rick Burten wrote:
I bought a 2 year subscription 4 years ago. Never got 1 magazine. When I asked her about it a couple of years later, she told me that as soon as she published a new one, I would get it. Still waiting. I'm older than she is, so I guess she's just trying to wait me out. The will is not a bad idea, I guess.

Regards

They has got to be more to this story..lol..surly to god she has said up front ur paying for the blog or something...no one could be that out right crook like...that would be like me saying I am takin orders on a anvil that I'm building and you pay me 600 and when I get it made I will send it to you...we know Fran post on this site from time to time so maybe she can explain the full story....I'm sure the cost of a mag has not broke anyone but its kinda like the whole point of the thing that is very odd that one would do this and just avoid everyone ....if I can ask where did everyone hear about the mag...did she put a few out then take orders...I had no idea it was FRAN BECAUSE I THOUGHT SHE WAS A LEADER IN THE TRADE WIth her blog and in fact if this is true she would be a black eye to the trade....and if guys are still buying the mag to this day and she is still takin the money I can't help to think they is more to the story..maybe she will fill in the gaps...............note I did not mean to have the cap letters above the button stuck or something..

Rick Burten wrote:
This also is what Fran told me. My first subscription or two went OK, but it's been several years since I've actually received a mag. Not counting on living long enough to see another.


Back in the early 80s when Rob Edwards was trying to upgrade ANVIL mag from a black and white newspaper type publication to a full color slick mag, I bought a lifetime subscription for $100. We joked a bit about who's lifetime, but all went well for 10 years or so, then he fell on hard times (divorce more than bad management, I think), went to an internet version, then quit updating it. Since a subscription was $60/year by then, I guess that I got my $100 back, but it was disappointing.

The H&L web site still has subscriptions for sale online.

Maybe we should all chip in any buy a full page advertisement in the AFJ warning people not to subscribe to H&L.

tbloomer wrote:
That's a good idea..if nothing else atleast they will know folks are not gonna stand by and let it just slide by...

WOW a bunch of posts gone from this thread. What's that about?

Damn, talk about untouchable. :cool: