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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 29 Jan 2011 23:36 #46

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Dr Myers, just have to know what Circus and which elephant did you treat?? Might of been an ole friend of mine??:D
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 00:01 #47

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Gary Hill wrote:
Dr Myers, just have to know what Circus and which elephant did you treat?? Might of been an ole friend of mine??:D

Been quite a few years, but my most memorable was "Timmy", an Indian bull elephant owned by an elderly couple and on permanent loan to Ringling. I just did an entry physical since their vet was not with them and they call me when that is the case and they are in my area.

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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 00:06 #48

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Thanks Doc!
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 01:00 #49

Mr. Reilly,

Thank you for posting this thread.

Julie :-)
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 16:22 #50

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mwmyersdvm wrote:
That said, you are correct in the the AVMA in general has no requirement for farrier knowledge. However, they have brought up the discussion of limited licensing for veterinarians since they have begun to believe that the studunts going through veterinary schools cannot handle all species or all veterinary disciplines in the time allotted.
Duh!

That's the point. Specialization is mostly ad hoc, NOT part of the AVMA accreditation.
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 16:27 #51

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Careful, Tom, I happen to be pretty well versed in marine biology and have served as a consulting veterinarian for aquaria, pet shops, food fish industry, and house calls on marine and fresh water fish.
Which courses did you take as part of your DVM that qualified you more than any other DVM to do this?
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 20:21 #52

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Which courses did you take as part of your DVM that qualified you more than any other DVM to do this?

None, learned some before entering veterinary school and the rest after graduation. Only my particualr interest and self study has led me to this area. The AVMA to date only controls the advertising of actual boarded specialists and do not allow specialty advertising unless one completes the respective board exam. A podiatry specialty has been discussed, but none has arisen to date. There is a new specialty of sports and rehabilitative medicine. While this is a good idea, it concerns me that this may enter the realm of farriery as it is critical to the rehabilitation of "biomechanically challenged" horses.

The limited licensure is more concerning as it is a sort of "reverse specialization" which restricts veterinarians from working on certian species or doing certain veterinary procedures. It would increase referrals, but possibly not in a good way. Additionally, a large animal practitioner who becomes physically unable to continue his road work could have a hard time picking up small animal work. Currently he could review the knowledge base and begin work in a clinic and rapidly acquire the skills needed to get the job done. It currently works much like the farrier profession, in an apprentice fashion. This has been pretty successful.

I can certainly agree that there are plenty of cases where veterinarians should have referred a case and did not do so. I feel this is most apparent in areas of hoof care of the equine. Personally, I would prefer a joint board of professionals with Veterinary Podiatrists and Farrier Podiatry Technologists.

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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 30 Jan 2011 23:44 #53

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Personally, I would prefer a joint board of professionals with Veterinary Podiatrists and Farrier Podiatry Technologists.

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.

Excuse me? I find that to be a very condescending comment. Why would you call the veterinarians "podiatrists" and the farriers "technologists"?

Human podiatrists are not MDs, it is a separate educational process. There is nothing in a veterinary education to make one a podiatrist, but one could argue that a farrier education would be a more appropriate way to earn the title (if there is an equivalent for the equine community) .
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 31 Jan 2011 13:17 #54

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Excuse me? I find that to be a very condescending comment. Why would you call the veterinarians "podiatrists" and the farriers "technologists"?

[Old fat guy in back of classroom raises hand] Pat, in veterinary newspeak, a "podiatrist" is somebody who read about doing it, while a "technologist" is somebody who can actually do it.
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 31 Jan 2011 14:58 #55

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Thanks as always to Fran Jurga, you guys might find this interesting:
http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/2011/01/vet-span-watch-arkansas-legislative.html
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 31 Jan 2011 18:24 #56

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
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Excuse me? I find that to be a very condescending comment. Why would you call the veterinarians "podiatrists" and the farriers "technologists"?

[Old fat guy in back of classroom raises hand] Pat, in veterinary newspeak, a "podiatrist" is somebody who read about doing it, while a "technologist" is somebody who can actually do it.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, here is the definition of a veterinary technologist

"Owners of pets and other animals today expect superior veterinary care. To provide this service, veterinarians use the skills of veterinary technologists and technicians, who perform many of the same duties for a veterinarian that a nurse would for a physician. Although specific job duties vary by employer, there is often little difference between the tasks carried out by technicians and technologists, despite differences in formal education and training. However, most technicians work in private clinical practice while many technologists have the option to work in more advanced research-related jobs.

Veterinary technologists and technicians typically conduct clinical work in a private practice under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian."


Perhaps Dr. Myers has another definition in mind, although I would still take exception to the basic title difference. Any -"ologist" (one who studies) should imply that the topic has been studied extensively. I do not consider myself to be a technician. I consider myself to be a professional complementing the veterinary profession.
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 31 Jan 2011 23:15 #57

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. . . A podiatry specialty has been discussed, but none has arisen to date.
I would expect an equine "veterinary podiatrist" to be able to perform every aspect of farriery at a very high level of competence. Otherwise it's just a vet "playing at horseshoeing."
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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 01 Feb 2011 02:06 #58

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Excuse me? I find that to be a very condescending comment. Why would you call the veterinarians "podiatrists" and the farriers "technologists"?

Human podiatrists are not MDs, it is a separate educational process. There is nothing in a veterinary education to make one a podiatrist, but one could argue that a farrier education would be a more appropriate way to earn the title (if there is an equivalent for the equine community) .

A radiation technologist gave me her definition of a technologist versus a technician as thus: A technician knows how to perform a procedure while a technologist knows why. There is no down side to the term technologist. Frankly, if you want me to call you a "Doctor of Farriery" I have no problem with that. I am usually refered to by my clients with my nickname as they are well aware of my competency and I do not feel being called "doctor" has any particular meaning. However, until you can get the various governmental agencies to allow you to become a "Doctor of Farriery" I was just trying to come up with the best title available to keep the system functional. I did not mean offense to anyones sensitivities. Plenty of us have been called a lot worse things than a 'technologist' in our careers. :)

According to Wikipedia:
Podiatry is a branch of medicine devoted to the study, diagnosis, and treatment of disorders of the foot, ankle, and lower leg. Podiatrists are defined as physicians by the U.S. federal government and in most U.S. states. Where did your information arise that they are not MD's?

It is my understanding that to be a 'podiatrist' you have to have a medical license. Not my rules, but until you can get the government to change we have to deal with them. If you feel the technologist title unacceptable, do you have a more appropriate one?

BTW, do you really want to add pharmacology, physiology, anesthesiology, immunology, bacteriology, virology, and more to the farrier curriculum? I thought the idea is for us to combine our talents and work together on this project. By your definition of podiatry, farriers will need to be able to handle anesthesia and surgical procedures on the hoof and lower limb as well as assess a problem, trim and shoe.

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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 01 Feb 2011 02:10 #59

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I would expect an equine "veterinary podiatrist" to be able to perform every aspect of farriery at a very high level of competence. Otherwise it's just a vet "playing at horseshoeing."

But, I am not going to expect a farrier to anesthetize a horse and surgically remove a bone sequestrum from P3 within the hoof capsule. Nor, do I expect the farrier to review a radiograph or ultrasound for lesions referable to problems within the hoof. The list can go on a bit if you like :)

I would like to use our respective talents collectively and not drive a wedge between the professions as has currently been done.

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RE:AVMA Model Veterinary Practice Act 01 Feb 2011 02:36 #60

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mwmyersdvm wrote:
Frankly, if you want me to call you a "Doctor of Farriery" I have no problem with that.

Actually he is a doctor of farriery.

mwmyersdvm wrote:
However, until you can get the various governmental agencies to allow you to become a "Doctor of Farriery"

See above.

mwmyersdvm wrote:
It is my understanding that to be a 'podiatrist' you have to have a medical license. Not my rules, but until you can get the government to change we have to deal with them.

I think Mr. Reilly may have that covered too. You should check out the credentials that go behind his name.


Would veterinarians willingly accept being certified by a panel of farriers if licenseing was to take effect.
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