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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 04 Jan 2011 22:11 #31

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"I actually met a lady from CO. that was visiting a barn, where some of my customers board there horses, and hearing her rant and rave about the poor shoeing and trimming protocols and how these horses were all on the verge of being the equivalent to neglected horses, and how NB and foot mapping could solve the hoof problems of the world."

St. Patricia lives.........
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 04 Jan 2011 22:21 #32

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Rick Burten wrote:
That's too bad for if there were only one answer/one way to do it, we'd all be doing it that way and Gene & co. would be very very wealthy. In reality, much of what I have learned with regard to the NB trimming protocols is stuff that I was long ago taught/learned. Not as codified, but there nonetheless. Its interesting to me that so many who disparage NB actually employ its tenants,often unwittingly, though they call them by different names. Balancing the foot/shoe around the COR/COA, hoof proportions of 50:50 or 60:40 etc based on the widest part of the hoof, frog-ground engagement, breakover location, setting shoes back off the toe, combinations of blunt toes, rolled toes, rockered toes, set back shoes, recognizing differences betweeen front and back feet and their purpose and function, etc ad infinatum.

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Yery good observation here. Sometimes the best course of action is to utilize the knowledge we already have.
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 04 Jan 2011 22:23 #33

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tbloomer wrote:
I can find Duckett's Dot on Google Maps . . . right over the kitchen sink.


Are you shoeing to the flare?:confused: Dot is just behind 50/50 and to the left of center.:rolleyes:
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 04 Jan 2011 22:29 #34

Rick Burten wrote:
That's too bad for if there were only one answer/one way to do it, we'd all be doing it that way and Gene & co. would be very very wealthy. In reality, much of what I have learned with regard to the NB trimming protocols is stuff that I was long ago taught/learned. Not as codified, but there nonetheless. Its interesting to me that so many who disparage NB actually employ its tenants,often unwittingly, though they call them by different names. Balancing the foot/shoe around the COR/COA, hoof proportions of 50:50 or 60:40 etc based on the widest part of the hoof, frog-ground engagement, breakover location, setting shoes back off the toe, combinations of blunt toes, rolled toes, rockered toes, set back shoes, recognizing differences betweeen front and back feet and their purpose and function, etc ad infinatum.

I sincerely hope that time will prove this to be an inaccurate assessment.

As a POI, how many of those farriers you mentioned have actually been through and successfully completed the NB certification courses? I ask because never during the courses that I took was NB ever touted to the students as the be all, do all and/or end all for hoof care. In fact, I don't remember ever hearing Gene make such a statement when he lectures or is asked about the NB approach.

Have you, individualy or as the collective, ever attended a conference, seminar, meeting, or even just worked with someone else, where some new method, approach, concept, appliance that really resonated with you? Such that when you got home you started touting it as the new best way to deal with "X,Y,Z". And then you start using the method/appliance, at least for a time, almost to the exclusion of all else? So it is I think with many of those who are touting NB as the "second coming". We saw/see it in the barefoot movement and we saw/see it amongst farriers too. For me, NB is a tool, like all the other tools I have in my kit which has taken me a lifetime to acquire. IMNTBCHO, knowing when, and how and where to use those tools(physical and otherwise) and why, is what elevates us up out of the gutter and makes us professionals

To you too.

Guilty, as charged, although not entirely unwittingly.

2 have been, 2 haven't. The 2 that haven't were "trained" by the one who is the most evangelistic about NB. The fourth, also CNBF, I consider a good friend and we have intelligent discussions about shoeing. We have worked together several times on a team of drafts. The other three, not so much. I consider them substandard shoers, but exceptional salesmen. Sorry to be so judgmental, but that's what I see up here. Trust me, they are not all Rick Burtens and George Spears as far as being open minded.

Likewise.

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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 04 Jan 2011 23:01 #35

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Clint Burrell wrote:
Are you shoeing to the flare?:confused:
Yes. Due to my experience in the marine industry, I use SOLAS flares!
Dot is just behind 50/50 and to the left of center.:rolleyes:
PORT, dammit, port is to the left . . . ya landlubber. :cool:
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 04 Jan 2011 23:49 #36

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tbloomer wrote:
Yes. Due to my experience in the marine industry, I use SOLAS flares!

Are those the replacement for Iodine Crystals?
PORT, dammit, port is to the left . . . ya landlubber. :cool:

Sorry, Port.:rolleyes: I'm allways getting my port/starboard mixed up.:o

LOL,:D
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 05 Jan 2011 00:00 #37

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Clint Burrell wrote:
Sorry, Port.:rolleyes: I'm allways getting my port/starboard mixed up.:o

LOL,:D
Jeez Clint, I thought everybody knew that port is where you go to get your star bored.......
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 05 Jan 2011 00:26 #38

Clint Burrell wrote:
Are those the replacement for Iodine Crystals?



Sorry, Port.:rolleyes: I'm allways getting my port/starboard mixed up.:o

LOL,:D

Port has four letters. So does Left. Both starboard and Right have more than 4 letters. Thats how I remember it anyways. :)
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 05 Jan 2011 19:13 #39

It seems as if this conversation has meandered from the original topic, which is in itself not a bad thing.
I have to agree with Mr. Shepherds observation that many of these folks pushing NB Lite Brite Therapy and Flexio therapies Hoof plates etc are “exceptional sales people” and they will always find an ear to listen too there cockeyed theories.
I feel bad for the horse that has suffer through these things, Its kind of like a guy who damn near gets his finger bit off by a horse, was it his ******ity, his arrogance, or his carelessness that caused the damage to his finger? Hard to say, but one thing is assured he will be more aware and will avoid having it happening a second time, so people may fall for the sales pitch and they may try strange therapies but they will eventually figure out that they have been duped.
As Craig Trnka once said in one of his Presidential articles in the AFA Journal “What about the horse?”

Mr. Robertson, Im guessing you also have had the displeasure of hearing this lady talk?
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 05 Jan 2011 20:53 #40

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If you want to chit-chat about particular people, take it outside. Stick to the subject of the thread.

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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 09 Jan 2011 19:02 #41

This is just an FYI,
I emailed the AAEP asking if they had an “Official position or statement” in regards to farrier licensing, or farriers being under the supervision of state vet boards. I also asked about the Farrier Liason committee as I could find no information on the AAEP website about the committee.What follows is the response I received in regards to my questions:

“The committee is no longer active. We do have task forces put together to review an issue from time to time. There has traditionally been a fairly strong farrier program at our annual convention.”

A non committal answer at best with no real info on the main question regarding licensing.
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 10 Jan 2011 02:28 #42

Mr. Burten: Sounds like you've some experience with this...........

yes I actually have had some experience in this area hearing Ralph Casey, Walt Taylor, Chris Gregory, yourself and Et Al, speak publicly I have found that regardless of the linguistic skills the person has they are still full of BS .......... or as my brother was fond of saying when he was trying to pickup the average buckle bunny, " If I cant dazzle them with my brillance then I will baffle them with BS "
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 10 Jan 2011 12:33 #43

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Mr. Burten: Sounds like you've some experience with this...........

yes I actually have had some experience in this area hearing Ralph Casey, Walt Taylor, Chris Gregory, yourself and Et Al, speak publicly I have found that regardless of the linguistic skills the person has they are still full of BS .......... or as my brother was fond of saying when he was trying to pickup the average buckle bunny, " If I cant dazzle them with my brillance then I will baffle them with BS "
Well, that's some pretty fair company you've associated me with so thanks for that. If I understand you correctly you're saying that Walt and Chris et al are full of BS? Interesting..........
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 10 Jan 2011 18:59 #44

You have a stunning grasp of the obvious rick, and dont let it go to your head, that you are in what you consider glorious company, I was refering to there personalties, not there skill levels.
I am sure there is a varying degree of skill among the aforementioned group but they all have one thing in common with you regardless of the skills they have, they love to hear themselves talk.
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RE:NEHRF Equine Flexion Therapy 11 Jan 2011 11:13 #45

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it is only BS when you do not understand what is being said , i personally think chris gregory is a knowledgeable man with good communication skills , perhaps your capabilities dont match his abilities
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