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GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 07 Jul 2010 19:49 #1

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Eric Russell wrote:

I still wonder if anyone on the board is able to pass the existing test. And since I don't know who's on the board, for the older guys could you have ever passed the current test?

Anyway, since this was the first test since the revision, how does everyone involved think it went?

Ok, I'll second Eric's question and ask also for what reason did there need to be a revision?
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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 07 Jul 2010 21:47 #2

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George Geist wrote:

Ok, I'll second Eric's question and ask also for what reason did there need to be a revision?
George

Handmade test converted to keg shoe test for journeyman level.... Form your own opinion.
Eric Russell wrote:

A 14 handmade shoe display then shoe a horse with kegs seem weird. Seems like maybe the rf should be doing the keg shoeing. RJF handmades, no?

I still wonder if anyone on the board is able to pass the existing test. And since I don't know who's on the board, for the older guys could you have ever passed the current test?

Anyway, since this was the first test since the revision, how does everyone involved think it went?

The 14 shoe display is a high standard, so high that even if I thought I could make all of them on any given day, I doubt they would be up to my own personal standards.

As to ability to pass within the current Guild members and BOD I cannot comment but I can say that there is a lack of willingness to even entertain the option of re-testing to the new standards.

Concerning the test event, personally I thought it was a train wreck.

Jay Mickle wrote:

Rick,
Thanks for your reply. I started this thread because I wasn't around when you all first discussed the horse and I thought that their was considerable diversity of views amongst the participants that would be of interest here on the board. If credibility of forging skill is required to continue this discussion I'm sure Dave Duckett's presence should suffice. Was there a discussion between you, Dave Duckett, Martin Kenny, et. al. that reached a consensus?

Jay,

Obviously I am not Rick but I do have some thoughts on your questioning.

Mr Duckett was there as a guest and observer only. I'm sure he would not want people to assume, believe or even consider that he was giving direction or that he was in any way a participant.

Mr Duckett's reputation is without reproach and it would be remiss for anyone to use his presence as a "qualifier" for the work put on the floor that day or the test day. To my knowledge there was no discussion that reached a consensus.

I can say that Mr. Duckett's expectations of a "Journeyman" or "Master" farrier are far greater than nailing up a set of keggers.

I hope this will set things straight in people's minds regarding Mr Duckett's attendance at this Guild function.

There is much debate about this particular subject (handmades VS machine) which has created a varitable divide amongst farriers who should be united in the profession. Ultimately each has to come to their own conclusion regarding the use, application and validity that true forgework brings to the profession. The standard we set for ourselves is what we are, and what we are willing to call our own.

I, early on, did not see the benifit of true forgework but now stand in a different position having experienced more and understanding more of the purposes and applications. Handmades on a horse will bring your skills to a higher level no matter how you slice it.

Simply put. I was wrong in my assumption and belief.

I for one don't nail up handmades on a daily basis and don't always nail up machine made. The limited skills I have developed in forge work have not only allowed me a broader range of application but also have helped helped me develop a more trained and efficient eye for those things needed in the application of farriery on a regular basis.

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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 07 Jul 2010 21:58 #3

Gary Hill OFFLINE Guru Posts: 5298 Thank you received: 6 Karma: 4	Very well put Brian!
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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 09 Jul 2010 02:04 #4

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George Geist wrote:

Ok, I'll second Eric's question and ask also for what reason did there need to be a revision?
George

From what I've read, the guild test is to show everyday work. They seem to want to emphasize it. If that's what they want then it should be kegs on the horse.

2 problems:

If it's everyday shoeing, what's the need for a handmade shoe display?

If you want to set a standard and make people think you're a professional organization, why shoe with kegs and not inspect any aspect of the test until the end? and add a handmade shoe display?

IMO, the guild seems like a good theory but it also seems like it attracts people who just couldn't pass the cjf.

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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 09 Jul 2010 03:27 #5

tbloomer OFFLINE Master Posts: 4622 Thank you received: 20 Karma: 1	I thought the idea was to promote farriery is a profession, and to establish minimum standards of knowledge, skill, and experience such as exist for practitioners in other professions. At one time I thought it was a good idea. Now I think it is was a huge waste of my time and energy.
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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 10 Jul 2010 02:47 #6

ladyblacksmith OFFLINE Master Posts: 1436 Karma: 0	tbloomer wrote: I thought the idea was to promote farriery is a profession, and to establish minimum standards of knowledge, skill, and experience such as exist for practitioners in other professions. At one time I thought it was a good idea. Now I think it is was a huge waste of my time and energy. now you are beginning to understand George; and including myself:rolleyes: linda muggleworth
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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 15 Jul 2010 14:36 #7

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Brian Purrington wrote:

Handmade test converted to keg shoe test for journeyman level.... Form your own opinion.

So if I'm understanding you right is no longer necessary to shoe the horse with handmades? Just handmake the shoeboard?

tbloomer wrote:

I thought the idea was to promote farriery is a profession, and to establish minimum standards of knowledge, skill, and experience such as exist for practitioners in other professions. At one time I thought it was a good idea. Now I think it is was a huge waste of my time and energy.

Was a good and worthwhile effort Tom. Oftentimes you'll find that ripple effects of stuff you do may not be immediately apparent but can nonetheless be pretty far reaching.
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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 15 Jul 2010 14:46 #8

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tbloomer wrote:

I thought the idea was to promote farriery is a profession, and to establish minimum standards of knowledge, skill, and experience such as exist for practitioners in other professions. At one time I thought it was a good idea. Now I think it is was a huge waste of my time and energy.

Have to agree with George on this one Tom. Sometimes we do not realize the broader value of what we have accomplished. You opened some doors/possibilities for others.

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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 16 Jul 2010 01:24 #9

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George Geist wrote:

So if I'm understanding you right is no longer necessary to shoe the horse with handmades? Just handmake the shoeboard?

Was a good and worthwhile effort Tom. Oftentimes you'll find that ripple effects of stuff you do may not be immediately apparent but can nonetheless be pretty far reaching.
George

Is that for the AFA CJF test now, or that for the Guild test only??????:confused:

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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 16 Jul 2010 03:39 #10

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	ladyblacksmith wrote: Is that for the AFA CJF test now, or that for the Guild test only??????:confused: linda muggleworth Guild test only. Nothing to do with the AFA, AFA Journeyman is handmades. The AFA however does have the tradesmen certification if you want to shoe the horse with keg shoes.
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RE:GPF Test spinoff from Guild clinic thread 17 Jul 2010 02:20 #11

ladyblacksmith OFFLINE Master Posts: 1436 Karma: 0	Phil Armitage wrote: Guild test only. Nothing to do with the AFA, AFA Journeyman is handmades. The AFA however does have the tradesmen certification if you want to shoe the horse with keg shoes. thanks phil.
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