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TOPIC: Joing the FHRC co-op... or not.

RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 20 Oct 2009 19:47 #31

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CyberFarrier wrote:

Baron Tayler

Nice touch!

Regards

Ray Steel
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 21 Oct 2009 13:03 #32

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do i receive all the same benefits and promotions as a u.s.a. farrier would get even though i am based in europe?
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chris
common sense is not needed when you have rules
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 21 Oct 2009 14:28 #33

Bill Adams wrote:

Baron, spot on. When certain names come up on a post I find I give more attention and credence to some, as there name is established and credible. I have seen others grow in knowledge and establish a respected name here as well as the opposite.

Well said Bill.
As a newbie on these forums, one does get disheartened by some replies and comments by ANON and company, and if you see through this aspect and start recognising good constructive criticism from recognised names (you all know who you are) these forums are a great communication tool. I always remember learning more going to a clinic having a chat after the lecture over a beer with a respected farrier or veterinarian and learning far more than the actual clinic I had attended. Use this forum for that purpose, expanding your knowledge, you will never stop learning.
Derek Poupard CJF, Dip WCF
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 21 Oct 2009 14:29 #34

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chris bunting wrote:
sir
do i receive all the same benefits and promotions as a u.s.a. farrier would get even though i am based in europe?
regards
chris

Well I am in Denmark and I am a member. I think it is a good deal. Oh by the way, I am headed down to Portugal, around Cabanoes from the 2 - 15 Nov.
Mikel Dawson, RJF

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What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 21 Oct 2009 14:57 #35

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chris bunting wrote:
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do i receive all the same benefits and promotions as a u.s.a. farrier would get even though i am based in europe?
regards
chris

Yes, Chris. The only difference is that the American Farriers Journal incurs extra postage when mailed overseas, and they must be paid the extra cost, which is $30 a year. I can't absorb it, so overseas members are asked to pay the extra $30. It's still an excellent value.

Thanks for the question.

Baron Tayler
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 21 Oct 2009 17:10 #36

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Ray, Im the same person today as I was when I joined these forums a long time ago. Its Bryan McElwee either way you look at it. If you think Im a fake there are plenty of people on here who have met me and will be more than willing to vouch for me being real.

Baron, You can sit there and tell me that activity is up. And it MIGHT very well be. Or atleast thats what I would be telling the people handing you money to advertise on here. But you cant sit there and tell me that some of the most imformative farriers have quit posting here. You make new rules and bend them to pamper your little favorites. You have serious control issues that need to be addressed by a professional. If everything is so great why do I get mail agreeing with me about the site being slow? The forums have turned into a joke lately and the only ones that get away with everything are the ones that kiss your ass. Most people wont stand up and tell you how they feel due to the fear of getting banned. Well bubba Im not one of those people. The suns still gonna rise tomorrow with or without this site.
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 21 Oct 2009 19:26 #37

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Ray, I'm the same person today as I was when I joined these forums a long time ago. Its Bryan McElwee either way you look at it. If you think Im a fake there are plenty of people on here who have met me and will be more than willing to vouch for me being real.

If you don't have the sense to easily see that Ray was making a joke, you need to study up on reading for context.
Baron, You can sit there and tell me that activity is up. And it MIGHT very well be.

It is.
.. But you can't sit there and tell me that some of the most informative farriers have quit posting here.

Less than the number I can count on one hand, yet at the same time a few new faces with just as much information to share, and who do it with a positive attitude have started to step in, now that they don't perceive a negative atmosphere. And even more will get involved. Those who stopped posting were keeping other good resources away.
You make new rules and bend them to pamper your little favorites.

You're entitled to your opinion. Doesn't mean it has anything to do with reality, but you are entitled.
If everything is so great why do I get mail agreeing with me about the site being slow?

Oh, oh, oh.... I'm worried. I receive mail as well. Lots of it. And the number of letters agreeing with that "viewpoint" is less than 10. Meanwhile, the number thanking me for finally cracking down on the negativity and personal attacks number in the hundreds. I'll go with the "positive" thinking group.
The forums have turned into a joke lately

No one is forcing you to stay. Your participation is always welcome, but only in positive manner. The joke is on the people who can't have discussions in a consistently civil and positive manner. I receive letters of thanks every day from farriers and horse owners. They tell me how much they appreciate these forums, and in some cases how they've actually changed the course of their careers. (Heck, one farrier here just had his whole career put back on track in less than 3 days, after his tools were stolen. You think he feels these forums are a joke? You need a reality check.) To these people, and thousands more like them, the forums are no joke. Only the people who want to abuse them, they're the ones who want to turn them into a joke. And that has been stopped.
Most people won't stand up and tell you how they feel due to the fear of getting banned.

No one, even you, has ever been banned for expressing their opinions to me, as long as they're expressed in a civil manner. I've always valued constructive criticism. So far you've offered none. Only a wish to return to "your" good old days of being free to bash at will and get away with it. Those days are gone.
Well bubba, I'm not one of those people.

And as you can see, you're post is still here, and you haven't been banned. Although it's pretty plain to everyone that you're trying real hard to get banned. Then perhaps you'll feel like a martyr?
The suns still gonna rise tomorrow with or without this site.

Another way of looking at it is that the sun will still rise tomorrow with or without your participation. The choice is, has always been, yours. Participate in a positive way and you're welcomed. Stay negative, and you're not. Your call.

Baron Tayler
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 22 Oct 2009 22:39 #38

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I have to admit I have actually have noticed this slow down. There appear to be a few folks missed from the forum that were quite active then all of a sudden stopped posting. Maybe they got busy, maybe the left the site? It may be related to all the arbitrary rules being enforced on the site, but how is one to know?
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 22 Oct 2009 23:29 #39

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I have to admit I have actually have noticed this slow down.
There's no doubt that some people have stopped posting. But the nice part is that others, who weren't comfortable with the "atmosphere" are posting more. As I said, there's huge pool of talent, and nature (and these forums) abhor a vacuum. Times change, people change. It's been that way for 15 years, it'll keep movin' right along.
There appear to be a few folks missed from the forum that were quite active then all of a sudden stopped posting.
Right.
Maybe they got busy, maybe the left the site?
Everyone has their own reasons, and this is still, last time I checked, a free country. In the mean time, the rate of forum registrations have risen almost 50% in the past two weeks.
It may be related to all the arbitrary rules being enforced on the site, but how is one to know?
That statement has me curious: Please read the posting rules, and let me know which rules you think are arbitrary. It's interesting how the view of what's "arbitrary" changes from when you can simply post whenever you want to, to how it suddenly is when you have to moderate a site visited by thousands of people a day from almost 100 countries, whose viewpoints and opinions range all over the map. I ask in all sincerity: What are "all the arbitrary rules" to which you refer? We may not agree on what you define as arbitrary, (in the final analysis that's my decision), but I'm still curious.

Baron Tayler
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 23 Oct 2009 02:38 #40

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
That statement has me curious: Please read the posting rules, and let me know which rules you think are arbitrary. It's interesting how the view of what's "arbitrary" changes from when you can simply post whenever you want to, to how it suddenly is when you have to moderate a site visited by thousands of people a day from almost 100 countries, whose viewpoints and opinions range all over the map. I ask in all sincerity: What are "all the arbitrary rules" to which you refer? We may not agree on what you define as arbitrary, (in the final analysis that's my decision), but I'm still curious.

I havent time to read through all the rules, but I guess the deletion of some individuals posts for not giving their name, and the not mentioning to others.

The censoring of certain words seems ridiculous.

I think my use of the word arbitrary may be more accurate to say that you decide when to enact or enforce a rule. Which is your right as the owner of the board. I just think you should review your rules from time to time and see which ones cause confusion and see which ones are good to have around.

-josh
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 23 Oct 2009 02:48 #41

I was looking around the posts from pre-F&HRC days,
Back when I first started to post
and noticed that the majority of posters used their full name
while others used at lest one of their names,
Out of choice . . .

. . . not a rule.

And as a rule, the posts where all quite civil.

Maybe it was the honeymoon stage for most,
or maybe its now just, "The Age Of Disrespect"
that we have entered.
Bradley SaintJohn

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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 23 Oct 2009 02:58 #42

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Hello Josh,
I haven't time to read through all the rules, but I guess the deletion of some individuals posts for not giving their name, and the not mentioning to others.
You only have that impression because you don't sit here watching me moderate. I do indeed delete some posts after I've requested from someone that they follow the rules and they don't. But if I happen to miss someone not following a rule, I don't simply delete without first giving them a chance to "get it right." I issue a warning, sometimes on the forums, but usually by PM, and then see if they take heed. If not, there are consequences. Since not everyone receives a warning at the same time, not everyone is on the same schedule. To you, not knowing any of the timing or what's going on behind the curtain, it may seem arbitrary, but it's not.
The censoring of certain words seems ridiculous.
It's not so much the censored words themselves, which are all more or less not suitable for an open forum read by people of all ages, as much as the annoyance of sometimes those words being a part of a regular word which needn't be censored. But that's all it is, a minor annoyance. I'd rather put up with that than have words that I don't want my children reading, in the threads.
I think my use of the word arbitrary may be more accurate to say that you decide when to enact or enforce a rule. Which is your right as the owner of the board.
Actually, if you sat next to me for a few days you'd have a much better idea of how the rules are enforced. Those who know me well and have been on this site for as long time, some over 10 years, will confirm to you that I work very hard to be as neutral as possible, and to enforce all rules as evenly as possible. Despite what some may think, I have no favorites, I rarely take a public "stand" on an issue, and have never banned anyone due to their being unpopular or espousing unpopular opinions. The truth is that I've been too liberal in the past regarding the behavior of some, and though I try to provide as much latitude as possible, there must be some rules enforced or chaos would result, not to mention a lowering of the reputation of the site.

I guarantee you that herding cats is easier and less stressful than being the Moderator here.
I just think you should review your rules from time to time and see which ones cause confusion and see which ones are good to have around.
Your input is appreciated and duly noted. Thank you.

Baron Tayler
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 25 Oct 2009 19:30 #43

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SlowShoe wrote:
I have to admit I have actually have noticed this slow down. There appear to be a few folks missed from the forum that were quite active then all of a sudden stopped posting. Maybe they got busy, maybe the left the site? It may be related to all the arbitrary rules being enforced on the site, but how is one to know?

Josh NO 0ne(joke), aka SlowShoe,

I have noticed the same slow down and I think it is what Brian McElwee was pointing out also.
One of the interesting things to me is that those who often in the past were very vocal about signing names instead of hiding behind monikers are m.i.a.along with the folks who used pen names.

Ben Franklin used one (Poor Richard ) as have others.

Did it really matter who JPT was, or was it just a good way to get off topic by hammering out his/her true identity.

I wonder if the next rule will be that we will need to address each post to a proven legal entity?

Regards

Ray Steele
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 25 Oct 2009 21:04 #44

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ray steele in gray, stuff deleted

I have noticed the same slow down and I think it is what Brian McElwee was pointing out also.

I think the picture thing, not the name thing, has caused the perception of a slow down in number of posts in the forums; however, unless you've got some way of breaking down the hit numbers by destination within the entire website, there's simply no way to know about the numbers.

One of the interesting things to me is that those who often in the past were very vocal about signing names instead of hiding behind monikers are m.i.a.along with the folks who used pen names.

Personally, I think anybody too gutless to sign their posts with their given and family names has all the credibility of an emasculated amoeba. While this attitude may not be popular with folks wanting to hide behind the cloak of anonymity, I figure that if you ain't got the guts enough to sign your real name to a post, your cowardice is obvious and worthy of comment.

Ben Franklin used one (Poor Richard ) as have others.


If memory serves, Ben Franklin used his given and family name when he signed the Declaration of Independence. Reckon why he signed "Ben Franklin" instead of "Sarah Liebowitz"? Could it have been related to his wanting to take personal responsibility for his actions?

Did it really matter who JPT was, or was it just a good way to get off topic by hammering out his/her true identity.

Like it or not, who you are matters in terms of credibility. Anybody can be anybody online, but the cheese gets a little binding when you ante up with your real name - it means you've taken personal responsibility for what you've written. (GASP! What a concept!)

I wonder if the next rule will be that we will need to address each post to a proven legal entity?

One can always opt out for less constrictive venues if one finds the requirement for taking personal responsibility for what one writes to be overly constrictive.
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:Joing the FHRC co-op... or not. 26 Oct 2009 00:09 #45

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The factual slow down in the posting has been caused in large part by the recently required inability to openly and forcedly discuss contentious subjects.
The tone of the posts disturbs the more sensitive who have complained about it and, per the majority, have had their wheels greased.
Feelings are not nearly as bruised, however information is not being drawn out as openly.
The above of course is my opinion and anyone has the right to disagree, however it will crush my sense of community harmony and lower my self esteem if it's posted here. Actually the "self esteem" issues I have may show an improvement it it were lowered.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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